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Court vindicates Snowden

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Looks like a U.S. Court has vindicated Edward Snowden, ruling unconstitutional the National Security Agency's huge program for vacuuming up the emails and other private correspondence of just about everyone in the world that they could get their hands on: http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/snowden-campaign-scores-victory-with-us-federal-judge-ruling-nsa-metadata-collection-unconstitutional/story-fnjwnj25-1226784549122

When you look at the words of the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution, you wonder how there could ever have been any doubt on the question:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The problem is of course, if there is no negative consequence for the high officials who deliberately disobeyed the Constitution, then this kind of disgraceful abuse will just keep on happening. And of course this is only one example of many. What about the TSA in America, sexually assaulting anyone who wants to go by plane?

I've seen this in Australia where the Constitution, or an Act of Parliament, provide for limits on executive power, and the executive, even at the highest levels, just ignore it, because they know the victim of their abuses will fear the costs of taking the government to Court (quite apart from the fact that the judges are all officials of the State).

And this is why written Constitutions, in their current form at least, don't work - you're basically handing unlimited power to the most powerful and saying "limit yourself".

The Constitution needs to be amended so that anyone subject to it has a remedy in ordinary, exemplary and punitive damages against any official personally who breaches it, with the State to pay the costs of the litigation, and costs against the plaintiff for vexatious litigation. When the Ministers' and officials' own homes and fortunes are on the line, I warrant we'll see more respect for the rule of law.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 7:58:34 AM
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just imagine..with..ALL..that info
how many are 'insider-trading'..traitor-ring?

over xmas..the army..will be taking out
144,000..of THE RITCHtEST..trust recipients
or next year..welcome..to hell

all...the best...with..the new year
ps..officers..above the rank..of..corporeal..are..hereby..awarded honours[you sirs..will..be running..infrastructure/SERVICES..and keeping the trains running..and will..appoint[youhave heard of marshall-law..police will be protecting assets

managerial..staff..you sir..are hereby retired
[on full pay..till the army come to take you away..or if you are clean..you will form an industrial council..to rationalize industry

further..all now have un-limited..credit..for necessities/education..repair restoration..meals clothing and shelter

common..workers,,kings children..mothers..fathers
you now are sovereigns..this is your final..command

dont concern about the 144,000..they will be encamped..inthe luxury.they are used to..but as your REASONABLE costs[according to..thy life style..will..be honored..as you respected..those who..*shall serve you[the best of societies..scum]..

if they serve you well..[as any child of the living loving god..deserves].then i..hereby..order..that..you..shall be released..into..the wilderness

[where if you help your charges there..will set you free completely..by their petition..via this..thread

in..deed..as the prophets before me have said

INDEED*..set the prisoners free
and reunite their dived families

you are now at peace..
under the terms of the/living loving gods godpeace

normality..shall resume..with the new year
over the break..think..of what you really want..

anyhow..under the kiss principle
we shall..now open..the floor..for further suggestions
these will.become your new law...and that by which..ye shalt be kept free

thank..you..jardeen.K.
you are my right arm*
[and grayham..shall be my left]

if we catch ANYONE..bowing or scrapping..into..the wilderness you go*
[same conditions for leaving..your charges..will/give you*the ..new id

your first job..is give everyone..the mark
dead 'persons'..shall..not be allowed to..trade

patent expires with the artists life[the medical files shall/be revealed..and all patents on..ANY..medicine..shall be..hereby/made void[we seen.. your bitter gmo/fruits][masters/your fired][but your/workers shall...be honored..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 1:36:05 PM
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It's only a preliminary ruling. Wake us up when the SCOTUS rules in favour of Snowden.
Posted by RawMustard, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 1:49:43 PM
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what the heck?

just to be clear..you have no outstanding debt
that you think was value..was really debt
[it was created..by false accounting]
its gone

your mark..is your dna[saliva will do]
plus your signature..on.the bill
[if the debt=fair..forget..it its paid for
see how money WAS created..was by you saying Y0U..ALLREADY..got it
thenof course they can explain..it..not being on.the books[clearly..if you'got-it'..it came from..'them..BUIT THEY DIDNMTHAVE IT[till you said yopou recieved..it/read thee loan apllication

anyhow..to then DEMAND..you repay..THAT
which[your own 'mark'..created]..is an absurdity..BUT worse
all 'debt'..created..only the amount/borrowed..WHEE DOES THE URURY COME FROM..all debt has intrst[your sig*nature..CREAYTED..all money
BUT NOT HE URSURY*

we shall be leaving the gregorian..calender..this year
nmext year..will be janury..[till..full-moon]..FEB..will be 2015
march=2016..etc/

[this is because many illegal conditions..of men..run 99 years..
so impoverishing..three generations..or more

anyhow..we shall fast forward the times..for 12 years
whennext6 xmass we settle all..outstanding contract..till that gregarioan year

just to be clear..all rates are payed for..any govt debt=settled
anything owed too yourself[ie govt]..is paid in full[govt creates money..not bankers]

i..must stop now lord
ok..jesu*nine
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 1:58:00 PM
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ohh dear//a lead balloon
we are going..into/..insane times
here..we learned govt is WATCHING..so..GOVT agencies
SWORN..to serve AND protect..the people..via hrh..and the crown

oh well..in for a penny[with her head on it
to assure its metal..content..but even coin has been debased
[the ONLY constituted LAWFUL..tender=coin..or promise..of coin]

but clever bankers HAVE EVEN DEBA$DED THE COIN>..OF HER REALM
[thats treason..and if the war continues..it will/be treason..UNDER WAR TERMS*..so to head this off..coin..is hereby..restored..to its TRUE traditional/values..AS if..STILL..real/silver/gold copper[not jusyt cupra-nickle..why shall..become clear soon..

anyhopw the RESTORED value..per silver or gold content/by weight
thus a 5 cent piece=5 bucks..[do the math]..20 cent=$20..50cent=$50
the dollar coin=100..notes remain at face..[they are after all..ONLY proof of debt*]

but/back..TO..HRH*..whos face values have been debased

sure..she is titular-figure/head..but her trusts have filled fully..of the COMMON WEAL..[ie the common colonized wealth]..but as she is the DE*fact*0..head..of heads..[a pope]..her grandchild..[george]..is hereby..appointed head pope..

then peter2..then..peter1..also appointed to seve as the twelve..[plus1..george]..shall..include other sects..FROMSUB groups electing their representative..on/the board of twelve[plus1]

all industry shall have its own representatives/boards
to preserve/trade skills and research assets/skils security/tools suplies of its commerce

govt will soonbe run from schools
who will run..the school district govt needs
ANY govt servicewil be at schools..we teach..you your skills then marlet yopu fopr your real value..[the schools will be seved..by womans and mens circles..every decision..must be by cpncenus

children..will..take [problems home]
and discuss them with their parents..preferably over a long..leisurly dinner..with all..media off..be careful..johan

sorry lord

we just seen the 'next' generation
at nelsons funeral..and am..not impressed

[i warned you jojo]
mess-age*end
push send*
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 3:05:59 PM
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great..a comment

IN..FULL*

<<>UOG, I lost the plot somewhere near the start.
Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 6:13:04 PM...>>

please note lack..of proof
[its from.,.the prison thread]
also mentioned..at the WAR..IS ..OVER..thread

some further info..at god will..thread
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15786&page=0#274098

edward snowden..is a hero*
by gods will alone

clearly jayb..has inside info
but please..note..its opinion

peace takes all..of us..for the rich,,nothing changes
except..they dont own..it no more..but their income still comes in

IF YOUR KOSHA*

the feeling is..that assets be claimed..online
if you claim..it..and no-one else does..the school..kids who soon..will control..will allow you full use of it..any unclaimed stuff

gets auctioned off online

see the thing is..jayb..didnt even read it
and yet he judged it./.then replied where i cant reply for 3 hours

never said it would be easy
but our armed FORCES/services etc..law/judges..ALL SWEAR LOYALTY.to hrh..it is she..who.,.,is key*..so its not jayb..that needs convincing
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 6:38:20 PM
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