That is a load of rubbish because you want it to be butch. There's no bigger load of rubbish than the lot that are in power now. Unemployment will treble in no time with Abbott he is really struggling to come to terms with the job. He would rather be on his bike.
We don't have a debt ceiling now that should worry you, and every body else.

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Am very curious, no problems on that score. Have been an investigator with several organisations and have a sister who is a lawyer.

I like you had heard that the USA was slowly doing as you say, from the chinese and other countries that were manufacturing essentials and consumer goods, its a very good idea. In light of the 'cheaper knock-offs' that inevitably flow back into the USA and Australia too.

More power to them, get as mush as they can back. Abbott will no doubt get his Treasurer Lil Hoss Hockey to fumble his way around into saying its not a Government priority!

Has been "Curious I'm sure your family of gardeners in the US know all about the auto industry, just as you do, & their thinking is just as superficial as yours."

Maybe you deserve a little education on that score. My uncle was maintenance supervisor for several plants. this included gardens and his award winning roses. As for the comment he made, it was widely held on the shop floor and across the company that Ford has misjudged their plans for newer vehicles.

Except those with the actual power to make decisions, who gradually over paid themselves. The company and their employees suffered for their stupidity.

My knowledge of the automobile industry clearly isn't broad as yours. But had I known this was a pi55ing contest I'd brought an umbrella. Be a smart alec hasbeen, but end of the day you are the one looking silly.

Yes rehctub 579 is wrong, actually he's realistic. You are in the wrong.
Union bashing next to sport marginally closer than politics is a right wing sport for people who are always right and never wrong.

Can't see the other side and more often than not there are good points made, that they ignored is a major problem. The other side is not your enemy, provocation won't get your points across. I have negotiated and found that its not that hard unless the other side is completely unreasonable, blinkered and unlikely to change short of a cardiac arrest! So,go to court and who is that hurting, everyone and why cos someone always wants to be right and never wrong, until a judge says so and even then... blood pressure goes up and as has often occurred the owner sells up as they haven't got their own way.

So I won't change, neither will 579, neither will many others. Doubtful you will either.

VC, the present mess at Holden, brought about by unions, should be a lesson for all.

The unions won't budge from their position and the workers are most likely wishing for them to close because they will receive up to a half a million redundancy payout, thanks to the unions.

The unions win, the workers win, but Australia looses.

Wages should increase when profits/sales are up, but they should also decrease when times are tough.

They don't.

You have rocks in your head if you think that would ever work butch.
Abbott's ideas are working taking back the wage rise from the lowest paid workers we have. Now the users of child care will pay for their wage rise. Abbott has been judged as junk by newspoll. When the DD happens we can sort this mess out. Hockey Pine and Abbott a bunch of amaters with no direction and no policy.