When the Greens vote with Labor, the Liberal chorus shouts that it is a Greens Labor Coalition, but what to say now that the Greens have decided to vote with the Liberals to abolish the debt ceiling?

It seems Tony Abbott has the flexibility to do deals in the senate, and that the government was genuine in needing to raise the debt ceiling.

It also suggests that the Greens have some flexibility too. Of course, they have no problem with spending-up as they seem to be of the school that no debt can be too small. But outflanking Labor by voting with the Libs is not something we've seen much of in the past.

Still, I'm worried that the Abbott government is not acting to get the deficit spending under control faster. Labor has left a lot of financial cholesterol in the system.

The greens are totally untrustworthy and always stab their "partners" in the back. Just like their predecessors the communists.
It's their nature, its what they do!

the greens have only re-affirmed..their the new world order
[you..forget..the elites/behind..the greenies..as the same as the powers..behind the 'two-party'/SYSTEM*

lest we forget.,.boobbrown ran away
once it was revealed..who..he really worked for*

the greens masters wanted the access..to..our cash
recall the instant GIFT..joe gave to/the fed/..more of the same

you forget..green=a globalbrand

<<Greens Liberal Coalition?>>

Naaah!

The Greens and the Sun Ripened Tomato Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Ripened_Warm_Tomato_Party
would be a much, much better fit.

the truth hurts
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cec+greens+bob+brown

http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=releases&id=2011_10_20_NC.html

Ever wonder why the Greens..lead the charge/for euthanasia in Australia?
http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=pubs&id=NC_07_06.html

Because that’s why..the Crown created them:
to kill people,
including your friends, your family, and you.

http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=pubs&id=NC_07_06.html

Every aspect of Green Fascism in Australia was created or rammed through under the personal direction of Queen Elizabeth and her consort Prince Philip.

These projects include: the founding of the world’s first Green Party, in Tasmania, which spawned the present Australian Greens under Bob Brown; the founding of the Australian Conservation Foundation, over which Philip presided from 1971-76 and which is the mother of Green Fascism in this country;

the Wilderness Society; Tim Flannery’s Wentworth Group of Quack Scientists and his Climate Commission; the Water Act 2007 to shut down the Murray-Darling Basin food bowl; the establishment of the federal Sustainable Population Ministry; the carbon tax; and every green diktat now crushing this country

Mining magnate Clive Palmer recently accused the Greens of being funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and the CIA. In a 22nd March article in The Australian entitled “Palmer walking in LaRouche’s footsteps”,

http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=releases&id=2012_03_26_Murdoch_Memo.html

Oh, woe is me, The Greens have done a deal with the Liberals. Oh the angst amongst our ultra conservative comrades. Poor JBowyer suffering an acute attack of "reds under the bed". SPQR is suffering too, thinking that Party Commissar, Comrade Tony is a Pinko, maybe.
You know nothing of The Greens or its membership, so deals with the Liberals is not beyond us, we do it all the time at local government and state level, so why not with the Feds?

Abbott is proving himself weak as he allows the national broadcasters to manipulate him in spending billions on education that won't improve a thing except teachers unions pay packets. He was foolish making the promise before the election. In his favour he has kept to his word. Labour knows no such thing except failed immigration policy and economic vandalism which they are still trying to do from opposition.

Tobe honest I do not agree with GYs summation.
Well not the whole issue, greens want to distance them selves from Labor.
I desperately hope in time Labor will want that too.
I think Labor still needs to examine its last 3 years, as a favor to those of us who want true reforms.
And think it stepped in some thing here that smells.
The debt ceiling should have been passed but the question why asked often.
Greens need big party,s to do anything and in time they will use both badly.

Surely the thing that really matters here is that the Greens have effectively condoned a huge increase in debt!

What on Earth are they doing??

Greens leader Christine Milne says the deal will make the debate about debt in Australia more mature while also making it more transparent.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-cuts-deal-with-greens-to-scrap-debt-ceiling-20131204-2yqph.html#ixzz2mZ5KJ6fU

This appears to be the essence of the deal – better transparency and quality of debate in exchange for unlimited borrowing power!

Well, that is just deplorable!

Of course what we should be getting is transparency AND maximised efforts to reduce borrowing and to then reduce the overall debt.

The facilitation of ever-more borrowing, now even more freely than before, is as about as crackers as you can get. I’ve been pretty disgusted with the Greens for a long time, but that just seals it!

Not quite sure what to make of all this
except to say that political parties make
deals all the time - when it's in their
interests. I guess we'll have to see what
they hope to achieve with this. Interesting
times ahead that's for sure.

What is interesting is that Christine Milne is by implication accusing Labor of having a Tea Party opposition to the change.

The Greens senators want to polish their Senate seats for the term of the government. Christine Milne will retire at the end of it. Her parliamentary superannuation is doing OK.

I for one am reminded that Labor/Greens was reason for heaps of charges.
Too that Tony said he would not enter in to an agreement to govern.
Also had Labor been in office the current flood of lost jobs would be headlines blaming them.
In the end I understand governments to govern must get bills past.
Unlike my opponents I can not make a mountain out of the mole hill.
We will see much more of it.

The greens are totally untrustworthy and always stab their "partners" in the back
JBowyer,
And, to make things worse the use blunt knives (minds).

Regarding the National Debt Ceiling the logical
conclusion to eliminate the Parliamentary
argument over the limit, and following logical
thinking, the Government of the day should get on with
the business of running the country efficiently within
reasonable economic limits instead of arguing or setting
limits on the spending - to which end it seems the Greens
managed to express their concerns. It doesn't mean that
the Greens support the Liberals or the Opposition - it means
that they're trying to encourage the current Government to
get on with the job of managing the economy within
reasonable economic means instead of wasting time arguing
about it.

And that's basically what the Greens stated on last night's
media reports.

I think this is exciting news. It is virtually a mirror image of the disappearance of the democrats.

It goes like follows.

Man starts things rolling.
Man retires.
ladies take over.
Ladies get false impression of their own importance.
Ladies start doing deals with Libs. [GST}.
Ladies start infighting
School teachers go look for another place to talk garbage.
Party collapses.

Yep, it's all good.

The debt ceiling is an artificial construct, put in place by a shambolic Labor government to give it a fig leaf of respectability. (i.e. "we may be spending like drunken sailors, but there is a limit."). That Labor is now using Tea party tactics, is the height of hypocrisy.

The Greens, not normally known for rational thought, have for once come up with a rational idea and agreed with Hockey, who would be stupid to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Now Labor, after governing for 3 years with a written coalition agreement with the greens, are trying to claim that there is a greens/liberal coalition. They must really think voters are stupid.

The noalaiion was all about living within our means so why the 200 billion. Can't they handle what they preach. Another backflip, Abbott says he doesn't do deals with minor parties, so why would he want to accept the Greens vote. No doubt there will be gifts in it for the Greens

shadows/note..<<..The debt ceiling is an artificial construct,>>

but was in affe4ct..a LIMIT..on spending
it worked..SO GOOD..thaat the libs used it affectivly
[but refused to ABIDE..by the same rule

so iys gone
andd govt can spend 50BILLION..before tghe greenies can ask ANYTHING

which is enough..to cover the bailouts tothe mates

<< put in place by a shambolic Labor government>>

POT/KETTLE
<<..to give it a fig leaf of respectability.>>

now REMOVED*..[byy the..disrespectfull..moving fast with an adgenda..undder cover of themedia silence..over xmass

huge treason..follows within days
of the last sitting

<<.,. (i.e. "we may be spending like drunken sailors,
but there is a limit.").>>

and THE LIBERAL/nats/greens removed the LIMIT
because..THEIR PALS WILL GAIN..from the debt

half a trillion..folks
wake up

bah..fox is in the henhouse

A helpful hint:

I would suggest that anyone with anyone typing with dyslexia, parkinsons, or just general inebriation, should use spell check before posting

merry/xmass..shadow

here..i put it clearly..just for you
try to refute the content..not how i spell..it out

shadows/note..<<..The debt ceiling
is an artificial construct,>>

but was in affect..[IN_LAW]..a LIMIT..on spending
it worked..SO GOOD..that the libs used it affectionately

[but NOW..you/lot..refused to ABIDE..by the same rule
you abused..so effectively../resisting allowing any movement..of the debt cap..WHILE >>..IN DENIAL/mode..to wit/half wit..[opposition]

so..now..its..presumably..gone
and govt..NOW..can spend 50..BILLION..
before the greenies..can*.even..ask ANYTHING

which is enough..to cover/the bailouts to the mates
[that is going to happen..in the break..FOR SURE*]
when..the banks eventually..re-open..4/5 th your cash..will..be non vote/able shares..[effectivly..not even a paper promise..but a mere book-keeping account/credit..ballot..to balance..the crooked cooked/books

ALP>>GOVT..worked..its vilee
under aa debt limit..<<put in place by a shambolic Labor government>>

POT/KETTLE..now yours has removed it[opened up the flood-gate/mate
why to deflate ever more real value of our dollars buying worth..
<<..to give it a fig leaf of respectability.>>

now REMOVED*..[by the..disrespectful..p-honey/tony
and many a howard cronie..moving fast with an reverse=engineered/agenda..to unwinf..all alpchanges

under cover of..the media
now closed/shop..for xmass..the..coplluded
great vile..will/be done/achieved/fulfilled..in silence..over xmass

huge treason..follows within days
of the last sitting..[ever]....its likely
we emerge into..next..new-year under martial law

<<.,. (i.e. "we may be spending like drunken sailors,
but there[WAS]a limit.").>>

and THE LIBERAL/nats/greens removed the LIMIT
because..THEIR PALS WILL GAIN..from the extra debt/bailing out their mates..will include them...[their banked cash/too.]

half a trillion..folks
wake up

bah..fox is in the hen-house
and the miner is in/the shadows

but/why/bother*
we got/the figure-head/servile..govt we deserve

Gday Shadow Minister and thanks.
Thanks for another year of free entertainment.
I wish you the best for the season.
And hope Santa brings you some thing to fix your increasing bitter comments.
I under stand mate!
Truly.
You must be very concerned at Abbott,s form, he looks to have been nobbled.
[A racing term for doped]

Belly,

I'm glad that it amuses you. I hope that like the straw man, you get what you need for Xmas.

Electricity Bill must be wondering when Albo is going to stick the knife in.

Mr Abbott can't help it, all along he's been a bumbler so what makes you think he will be any different.
From one disaster to another, the trouble is he believes what he reads instead of getting the facts.
Get Turnbull on the job before Abbott has the whole country out of a job.

Belly old mate, you've got to stop it.

You've been predicting the end of Abbott in the next couple of months now, for how many years?

It almost puts you in the same category as the very silly 579.

My prediction is that Abbott will still be around to dance on the grave of your ABC. What do you reckon, in your head, rather than your heart?

I think we should understand and expect any side will use greens and such to get its bills past.
But too remember the, well just plain silly stuff, thrown at Labor for doing what Abbott has done.

Another point worth noting our present quite mad Senate voting system, demands of all governments an acceptance of black m,ail from fringe looneys to get things done.
Thoughtful voters can in WA at least fix that by voting for your party then the opposition killing preferences to the cartoon party,s instantly.

Belly the labour party have been playing the preference game as have the greens. Now others are on the bandwagon its all a bit too hard, lets all change.
No lets not change and remind Greenies and labour that what you sow so shall ye reap lol.

Ok hasbeen i heard that. It's not a matter of what they do i will do, it's hypocrisy at its worst. Abbott will go down in history as an enemy of AU. He wants 50% of au out of a job now. If he ever resolves anything it will be a miracle, with dropkicks like Pyne in the team he is really up against it. Hockey has gone back to school to learn how to count.
Even Abbott's supporters are feeling the pain, not knowing what to expect next.

That oaf of a labor leader electricity Bill has been out maneuvered when his coalition partners stabbed him in the back, just as he was getting his Tea party started.

He is trying so hard to be negative about everything, and he still gets it wrong. But he is trying so hard.

579, don't you wish you never had the 6 years of Labor and unemployment they brought. All the refineries they closed, and the car manufacturing they stopped.

Abbott is finally realising there is a difference between opposition and government. Talk is cheap but actions are what matters now.

After an amazing parade of blunders and backflips he's ended up having to appear to make a few decisions (or at least wait until Ms Credlin tells him what they are) and his inadequacies are there for all to see.

Now he has broken another pledge "not to make deals with minor parties" and pretend that the Greens are suddenly economically responsible.
However I doubt the Greens will back him on the the removal of the Carbon Tax but they have certainly damaged themselves politically.

SM, I don't get your ALP Tea Party reference.
It was Cory Bernardi who went to study the Tea Party methods first-hand in the US and introduce them into the Liberal political strategy, along with the creation of those bogus sign-waving astro-turf protest groups.

Unfortunately the fear-and-loathing and relentless media barrages only work when in opposition and now they are high-and-dry and bereft of workable policies to make their empty slogans a reality.
Even Rupert won't be able to cover for them all the time and there will be considerable public resistance to the planned break-up of the ABC - especially in rural areas.

Comrade Shadowski, I feel I now call you comrade, we are now in bed together, metaphorically speaking only comrade that is, Comrade Lennin not like hanky panky stuff. You also call to me Comrade Paulski, by the way how you Russian, we all speak Russian at party meeting, so you learn Russian,...quick, you like vodka, me to, good, very goood. you give big kiss, both check to Comrade Toneski when you see him next Politburo meeting. I think we give Comrade Toneski Order of Lennin, what you think. Comrade Shadowski, you party Trotskyist? We no like Stalinist party, Labor Party, party of Stalin, we no like Stain people, right comrade, we no drink vodka with Stalin people. Comrade you come revolution next week? Comrade Leeski, Comrade Adamski, maybe even Comrade Christineski be there, we call it bourgeoisie Christmas party, drink plenty vodka,... eat plenty borscht. Welcome to new party comrade, maybe soon we make war on Poleaks together, what you say.

Paul,

I would say it is a little early to indulge in your favourite Russian beverage.

Wobbles,

You love to deliberately take things out of context, and don't seem to be bothered by how stupid it makes you look. The deals that Abbott referred to was clearly obtaining government by vote swapping agreement. This never included day to day legislation, or getting a cup of coffee.

Epic fail. Try again.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott's much-touted "first 100 days of action" for his "no surprises, no excuses" government will run out on Boxing Day. As a result the Coalition has its work cut out in the run-up to Christmas. In the 84 days since Abbott and his cabinet were sworn in, they have struggled to find a positive vision for the nation, let alone explain it.
When decisions have been made, many have been underwhelming, confusing or embarrassing. For all the rhetoric about the dire state of the federal budget and the evils of debt, Australia now has no debt ceiling thanks to a deal between Treasurer Joe Hockey and the Greens. It was the correct decision but getting there betrayed an air of hypocrisy.
The same can be said about the 11th-hour reconversion to a stripped-back, unclear version of the Gonski reforms. At least they were decisions.
On other pressing problems there has been a worrying tendency towards misplaced masterful inaction. Prevarication is dogging the necessary decision to keep Qantas in local hands. If Abbott accepts that the national carrier is a special case requiring support, as the Herald does, he must say so now. If not, he must have the courage to explain why and manage the consequences.

579 and all my fellow travelers let us first look at the level of insults aimed at us.
Shadow Minister is not usually as sharp and yes bitter as he has recently become.
We can learn much from those insults and from SM the key defender of the Tory,s here.
Yes Abbott,s start, and his intended path is like an unset jelly, very wobbly and unsure.
Mid term is the place to look for.
And I feel much of the sharp posts is from folk who like us, see a disturbing lack of action in Abbott,s first months.
We, followers of a party that took its self out of government ,should understand others seem likely to do just that too.

Belly,

If I said that Shorten was raping puppies, I would not expect replies such as "no Bill is not raping puppies" but get howls of outrage that I was making rubbish up to smear Shorten.

What wobbles and other left whingers are doing is exactly the same. If any one wants a serious debate, put forward an opinion with some support. Making stuff up, or saying that so and so is an idiot is school yard stuff, and deserves to be treated with contempt.

579,

For a moment I thought you had at last posted some serious opinion, but got suspicious of the level of english, googled it and found that it was cut and pasted from a fairfax opinion piece.

Sigh!

SM I want a pup out of the litter.
Male preferred as I want to call it Tony.

This SM bloke is really struggling to come to terms with what has happened. Comparing Abbott with a dog now. He has lost it.
Tony was the one that was not going to deal with minor parties, so what has he done, exactly what he said he would not do. So what does that make that lot, a bunch of collective liars.

I think that I will call the pups Albo, Kevin and Julia.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/labor-leads-coalition-in-latest-newspoll-for-first-time-since-gillard-elected
For the most part we excepted Labors polling when they Governed.
We then must understand just how those polls have swung around.
And how quickly they did so.

belly.;.your missing..how fast/far..their moving
mate..they dont care..about the next election/they got power now..and will abuse it to death.

they work..by cutting/away..all the lab/greenie stuff
alp comes in..restores a bit of it/then..they come back..pull it down again..and its working..[its a cycle]..one election..till the other party comes in.then/the other party comes in..then we came back in..and then you come back in..[into..infinity]..

same shame same
same sham same

but thats the game

http://www.infowars.com/stunning-hypocrisy-obama-slams-leaders-who-do-not-tolerate-dissent-from-their-own-people/

http://www.infowars.com/italian-riot-police-remove-helmets-join-anti-eu-protesters/

http://www.infowars.com/useful-idiots-2013/

http://www.infowars.com/google-wants-microphones-in-your-ceiling-microchips-in-your-head/

http://www.infowars.com/christians-are-being-burned-alive-beheaded-crucified-tortured-to-death-and-imprisoned-in-metal-shipping-containers/

were in..hell
we just havnt realized it yet

they want hell on earth..[cause who wants heaven..on earth]
you..just/havnt even/noticed..[bit/by/bit]..how they gradually..changed..even...your beliefs.

im..more interested..in this..
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/nytimes-unprecedented-concentration-of-sea-creatures-near-shore-in-california-experts-baffled-longtime-residents-astounded-video#sthash.tpnBVDof.dpbs

or this
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-30/science/44595591_1_humans-chimpanzees-traits

even/this
http://mentalmodels.princeton.edu/papers/2012negation.pdf

im over this
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/mandela-eulogies-reinventing-his-disturbing-legacy/

or this
US government sells rest of its General Motors stock;
loses $10.5 billion on bailout[plus dividends]
http://www.blacklistednews.com/US_government_sells_rest_of_its_General_Motors_stock%3B_loses_%2410.5_billion_on_bailout/31026/0/38/38/Y/M.html

U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said Monday the government today had sold its final shares in the Detroit automaker, leaving taxpayers with a $10 billion loss on the $49.5 billion bailout. The move means GM is free of government pay restrictions and can again pay dividends on its common stock.

arnt you glad tony..isnt buying into the..gm scams?

or how about this?

Making a Killing with Cancer: A 124.6 Billion Dollar Industry
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/making-a-killing-with-cancer-a-124-6-billion-dollar-industry-12092013

If you had a business selling something that made you well over a hundred billion dollars per year, would you take steps to eradicate the need for your business? Or would you make every effort for that money continue rolling in?

Take cancer, for example. Don't let all the media hype about "The Cure" fool you. No one who is in a position to do so wants to end cancer because they are all making a killing on the big business of treatment, while ordinary people go broke, suffer horribly, and die.

or this
http://www.redressonline.com/2013/12/the-meaning-of-peace-israeli-style/

but..maybe govts are waking up
http://www.redressonline.com/2013/12/britain-edges-towards-boycotting-israel/