Danielle,
Its a lot better and cheaper if you can get the state to pay for your de facto children.

Josephus,

The situation concerning the unborn relates to personhood.

I suspect that unborn babies are not legally persons in this country, which enables abortion. In the US a driver who was responsible for the death of an unborn, was not held liable as the law determined the unborn was not a person. I would hazard a guess that it is the same here.

Traditionally, the legal position of a newborn was that it had no personhood, until it had made its first cry. Whilst I am sure that this has tightened up, I do not know what the legal position is, particularly in this country.

Some philosophers argue that the unborn are not persons.

You are not alone in believing that the human embryo is a another human.

Yet many women undergo IVF treatments annually, which effectively means that thousands of embryos are discarded. As medical science becomes more sophisticated, the issues will become increasingly more complex for those who see the embryo as another human.

Many embryos are aborted naturally. If we were to go down your "logical" path, pregnant women would be confined to bed until the pregnancy proved itself viable.

Some philosophers argue that the unborn are not persons

And some argue that at the moment of conception all of the future person is there, are they wrong and is/are some ingredient(s) added later?

Danielle,
Where did abortion come from? Obviously you have had too much alcohol at Cup festivities as you repeat yourself.

Josephus.

Please explain your comments.

Is it because I spoke of embryos aborted naturally. I understand that this is the correct term to use.

Whilst some would deny the right of a female to have an abortion, it really is a case of until you have walked in the shoes of another. For most who undergo such a procedure, it is not a capricious whim and it carries with it emotional scars. I am not into the culture of witch hunting. I would suggest you look to yourself, ... examine your self for evidence of compassion.

It wasn't so long ago that women who had a child out of wedlock, was condemned. Social mores often defined them as pariahs within society. However, if a woman had an abortion, she was equally damned. As for the mothers physically forced to give up their newborns ...

Up until the seventies in Australia, and possibly later, children who were born out of wedlock were refused entry into the public service.

The attitudes surrounding unwed mothers and children born out of wedlock was horrible to say the least. As for the fathers ...? Unfortunately, in certain sections of society such attitudes still prevail.

What is your attitude to unwed mothers?

Many apologies, Jospehus.

I was contributing to a different thread.