revealing..the troll toll sig..[sign]
[a..simple cross..we each chose to..bare]..bear..beware*

rom/page55
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

seeing..the body..as the Temple
alters..part of..the misperception,..but..not all of it.

It DOES recognize,.however,..that the concept of addition or subtraction..in PHYSICAL terms..is not..appropriate.

But..the next step..is to realize..that a Temple..is not*..a building at all...Its REAL holiness..lies in..*the INNER altar,[heart-loves][passions..we embody..into works....around which*..the building..[body]..is built.*

The inappropriate..emphasis..which men..have put..on beautiful church BUILDINGS..is a sign of their own fear..of/Atonement,..and unwillingness..to reach the altar itself...

The REAL beauty..of the Temple
cannot be seen..with the physical eye.
[The spiritual eye,.on the..other hand,.cannot see the
building at all,..but it..*perceives the altar..within*..with perfect clarity.

This is..because the
spiritual-eye..[minds-eye]..has perfect vision.

For perfect effectiveness,..the chalice..of the Atonement belongs at the center..of the..inner altar,..where..it undoes..the Separation,..and restores the wholeness..of the..wholly-Spirit.

Before the Separation,..the mind was..invulnerable to fear,..because fear did not exist...Both..the Separation..and the fear were MISCREATIONS..of the mind,..which have to be..CONSCIOUSLY..chosen..to be..undone.

This is what the Bible means..by the “Restoration of the Temple”.
It DOES NOT mean..the/restoration..of the building/HOUSING..life's-treasures,..but..

*it DOES mean..the opening..of..the altar[heart]
..to receive..the/Atonement...[at-one-meant]

This heals the Separation,..and places within..*man..the one defense against all..separation-mind errors..which can make him perfectly invulnerable.

The acceptance..of the Atonement..*by everyone..is only a matter of time.*..In fact,..both/TIME..and MATTER..[divisional/dire-versions].were created..for this purpose,.

This appears..to contradict..free-will,
because of..the inevitability..of this decision.

If you review..the idea carefully,..you will..realize that this is not true...Everything is limited..in some way..by the manner of its creation.

Free will can temporize,..and is capable..of enormous procrastination...But it cannot..depart/entirely*..from its Creator,..who set..the limits..on its..own/ability..to miscreate..by virtue of..its own-real purpose.[cause/be-cause]

The misuse of will..engenders..a situation which,..in the extreme, becomes altogether..intolerable..Pain thresholds...can be high,.but they are not limitless...

Eventually,.everybody..gradually..begins to recognize,..however dimly,.that there..*MUST be..*a better way.[note-topic/heading]

As this recognition*..is more firmly established,..
it becomes..a perceptual..turning-point...*This ultimately..reawakens
the spiritual eye,..simultaneously weakening..the investment in physical sight..

The/alternating investment..in the two types/or levels..of perception is usually experienced as..conflict..for a long time,..and can become very acute.

But..the outcome..is
as certain..as God=love/grace/mercy.logic/light sustaining life.:)

The spiritual /eye..*literally *..CANNOT*..SEE error,
and..merely..*looks for Atonement...[at-ONE-meant]..in..love..of other

i recall..once..the parrable..of the dog
that killed a chicken..

the master hung..the dead bird..around the dogs neck
to teach..it..that their spirits..now were inextricably linked

we must sort-out our issues..openly fearlessly endlessly
this current forum..suits us our purpose..admirably

if the forum..moves..will..i..be able..to move..too
i feel..lets keep the old girl..it gets the job done

[ok maybe not for everyone..but one by one..
we all..see the joke..and enjoin..back..into the fun

love everyone

Hi Foxy,

Thanks for your comments about some of my suggestions to raise the level of OLO debate.

I know we don’t agree on many issues but we seem to able to work things out. On that note and at the risk of upsetting some posters, I’d like to expand on my issues with Absolutism, Totalism and the false premise.

I’ll use the skeptic/denier analogy by way of example based on the frequency of its use. Much of the case of warmers vs. skeptics, which always seems to cause so much abuse and vilification from both sides, is often based on a false premise.

The false premise is that deniers are deniers because they don’t accept climate change is real. Wrong. Most skeptics I think fully accept that the climate changes. What is in question is to what extent it is human induced?

The next skeptical question is “where is the evidence?”. Since this is much more difficult to address, the debate persistently regresses back to “you are denying climate change”.

No matter how often it is said that climate change is accepted, the relentless pursuit of those asking the question about evidence and not the claim continues post after post after post.

The term denier based the rejection of climate change is a false and misleading premise.

It has no positives and serves only to feed the angst of those using the term, generates frustration, diverts the debate, baits the contrary view, provides a rationale for abuse and blocks any opportunity for the two sides of the debate to accept or discuss an alternative perspective.

So here is another suggestion. Can we all accept that skeptics are not skeptical that the climate changes, they are skeptical about the link and extent of human inducement?

There are many other examples from all sides but if this example has any merit, a great deal of venom can be removed from all such discussions simply by removing the use of the false premise.

Any takers?

OUG,

Your posts are often poetic and reflect an enormous and compassionate intellect. But they are often difficult for mere mortals such as I to fully appreciate.

You sometimes accompany your posts with dozens of links. Whilst these may well be the sources of your passion and interest, they do provide a good example of the substitution of opinion/debate for links.

Your links undoubtedly provide the inspiration for your poetic outpourings and I would not like to see your unique influence changed on OLO.

Please do not read my comments about the use of links as a criticism of you. It may seem odd that I express a view that excludes you from this general criticism but I think your uniqueness is your absolution.

<< if the forum..moves..will..i..be able..to move..too >> ?

I’m not asking that question of you my friend.

spindoc..i..know links are often used as distractions
but in the last case..its essential..[see i edited jesus words]
but have been..given that right..by..the words..at the link..thus this link..is vital
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0
as was..the science..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

but..there i go..linking./.it together..yet again

ps..i agree..with your..[exampled]..points..
[even..if off-topic..they give..a real-life example]
so..i will add..to that point..

given..that all..you said is true
we still dont..got consensus..on..the remedy

ok..we know..the problem..wont be solved..
by us..paying compulsory cash grabs..to govt bottom-line
or for the money-market..to cash=in..on thin-air..but that influence indulgence/cash grab..proof of it..its right there

govt lawyers lies..polies lie
media lies..even/our patents..lied../.\..they..lied to..us collectively/consistently..collusive..even treacherously...for far..too long

the sky is falling..
ok..now lets move on...

no more money cash splashes..
the bankers been..lying..for far too long

govt can..fix anything..for free
just issue a govt bond..

now go..look how
world bank..no!
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6064&page=0

grim..what works=govt printing..its own..money
not borrowed..at interest from..bankers[who stole the money system..plus the gold/silver from...our coin..and teeth..

continues at..end

who..via USURY..scape the cream..
into;;their own tax free trust funds..that own..any thing of value[via paper proof..now cyber proof..only..

true govt money is based onthe value..of our estates
[based on the assets worth..[increase..of capital; base..creates its own funds..thus free govt medical..free services etc

govt is CREATED...reason of being..is about service
but now its about revenue raising..from..its poor..and stealing us blind..by selling off our services..for capitalist profit

lately..going in to..take the gold reserves from..building 7..@[911]..cyclone sandy..[more gold lost]../sadman-insane gold got took..then..gadfiffy's gold..etc etc..[loot and plunder has to..stop]

we need govt..to create the money..to..build the asset
to..repair the asset..to hold control..over the value..of its own legal tender..and the business..of lending..interest free

[only coin..is lawful-tender..but by deflating the worth of notes..they stole everything else

govt dont..*need to borrow..*nuthin
nor even raise any tax/user pays
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cec+money+creation+nat+bank
it need merely issue a bond..and govt bond is as good ass gold
[because it holds SUPPOSEDLY..[but by acts of treason..all.our service assets..safe from..capitalist-gain/price-rise..pain.

Dear spindoc,

We should be able to learn from each other
through the discourse of debate and as I stated
earlier, ideas should be challenged, however the
poster should never be personally attacked. And
attacking a person's fundamental traits and
character provokes flaming shich should garner a
trolling infraction.

Attacking a person instead
of the argument disrupts the flow of conversation
and ideas. It is distracting, rude, and self-serving.
It is a blatant disregard for others when things are
said just to rile them up. It shows insecurity.
We should refer to these people as bullies because
the outcome is the same. These people get off on other
people's distress. They're people who post deliberately
abusive messages with the intention of provoking a
response (maximum disruption and argument). And this
behavour causes a great deal of damage and should not be
tolerated on a reputable forum. Its behaviour that
encourages flaming and disruption.