Now you discuss me in the third person. Third person to third person? Yikes.

You can snag someone else can do the umpteen pages with you while you do your thing.

Bye.

im..caught..between a rock..and that hard place
trying to walk..with a foot in..both camps

sure etiquette dictates..that we dont look..and not feed troll/flaming..or provoke..nor pick at wounds..[any number of cliche']..advice etc

an adjudicator..would try to get to the root of the problem
whats the key..that fixes...things..[makes the hurt..go away]..makes each feel..enough..to let it slide..but..if hurt..we need hurt back

i..think its a pride thing
[a saving face...grace]=..who can guess
a zero sum/game..either way..we become fewer././leaving leaving leaving..leaves us grieving..but what the worst grief..watching loved ones tearing each-other to bits..or watching us go off into the sunset..one by one

where the resolution
the word solution..what string of word play..to make this pain..go away

[without needing./.to resort to the imputation..inherent in..amputation..
[to wit]..the hoo-who-lies low..[run-a-way/solution]..of one beloved..or the other..behoove..going..what will any of it prove?

one wins..one lost..to what cost
how many conversations..lost

[the not so easy..solution..of dying..
falling on..his sword/endless cliche'..etc

i dont blame hoolielow..for leaving..for all his skill..he too lacked.,..the words..to make the hurts go away..[worse is the stress this puts on..moderates..fighting off..our own..negative mind talk]

i should re-call..into..this missive..[without being overtly dismissive]that message..of entertaining..angels unaware[or of the enter-tainting demons..]

that feed back..our sub-limited/sublimed fear..
[its..a neat feedback..loop..is it our fears..they feed..or they feed our fears

our fears/hates/snipes are feeding demons..giving aid and comfort
to those despising our humanity..and niceness..by them..feeding back..into us our anger..as well as theirs

when death come..[the real one..not just like/what holio..just dun]..then the demons claim their own..by things we condone..to-do..as much as the angels and demons..we gave comfort too[we may type the words..but its their voice dicktating..it to us]..via our emotions..emissions..emotive permissions

how to tell my beloved..we enter-taint-demons
too..when no-one cares..resist the evil..outside..by resisting it first inside

ok..johan..you happy..now
and what did that achieve..nothing..you are what you think
think anything..and more of the same..is a given..[assured]

much more of the same..we go insane..
[or take the who-lie/low absolution/sol-ution]..
resolution..cutting off nose..to spite face..take that face

that we do..to the..least..[of our..other selves]
[we do to..the most]..the lord of us all.

todays..reading/explains..much..
from/page55
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

seeing..the body..as the Temple
alters..part of..the misperception,..but..not all of it.

It DOES recognize,.however,..that the concept of addition or subtraction..in PHYSICAL terms..is not..appropriate.
But..the next step..is to realize..that a Temple..is not*..a building at all...Its REAL holiness..lies in the INNER altar,[heart-lovves]..around which*..the building..[body]..is built.*

The inappropriate..emphasis
which men..have put..on beautiful church BUILDINGS..is a sign of their own fear..of
Atonement,..and unwillingness..to reach the altar itself...The REAL beauty..of the Temple
cannot be seen..with the physical eye.
[The spiritual eye,.on the..other hand,.cannot see the
building at all,..but it..*perceives the altar..within*..with perfect clarity.

This is because the
spiritual-eye..has perfect vision.

For perfect effectiveness,..the chalice..of the Atonement belongs at the center..of the
inner altar,..where it undoes..the Separation,..and restores the wholeness of the Spirit.
Before the Separation,..the mind was invulnerable to fear,..because fear did not exist. Both
the Separation..and the fear were MISCREATIONS..of the mind,..which have to be undone.

This is what the Bible means..by the “Restoration of the Temple”.
It DOES NOT mean..the
restoration of the building,..but it DOES mean..the opening of the altar..to receive the/Atonement.

This heals the Separation,..and places within..*man..the one defense against all
separation-mind errors..which can make him perfectly invulnerable.
The acceptance..of the Atonement by everyone..is only a matter of time.*..In fact,..both
TIME..and MATTER were created..for this purpose,.

This appears..to contradict..free-will,
because of..the inevitability..of this decision.

If you review..the idea carefully,..you will..realize that this is not true...Everything is limited..in some way..by the manner of its creation.

Free will can temporize,..and is capable..of enormous procrastination...But it cannot depart
entirely*..from its Creator,..who set the limits on its ability to miscreate..by virtue of its own
real purpose.

The misuse of will..engenders a situation which,..in the extreme, becomes altogether..intolerable..Pain thresholds.can be high,.but they are not limitless...Eventually,.everybody
begins to recognize,..however dimly,.that there MUST be a better way.

As this recognition
is more firmly established,..it becomes..a perceptual turning-point. This ultimately..reawakens
the spiritual eye,..simultaneously weakening..the investment in physical sight..The
alternating investment..in the two types/or levels..of perception is usually experienced as..conflict..for a long time,..and can become very acute.

But..the outcome..is as certain as God.:)


The spiritual eye..*literally *..CANNOT SEE error,
and..merely looks for Atonement...[at-ONE-meant]

just..to..be very clear here

the previous [post]..was jesus actual words*
when he confirmed..his total..awareness..of our every thought
[as revealed..by the intimacy..of his private conversations..with helen]..who transcribed it all..into text]..

despite her own..doubt..producing fears
[its all..in the text]..written..as it occurred..in real-time..all/the time]

read it..and note clearly*
the few earlier pages..affirming..
that we entertain..angels..as well as demons..UNAWARE*

helen..heard our lord christ's faint whisperings
it was she..[al-one]..who recorded..his every word
into the previous linked text..but..jesus is leaving..
or coming..but it seems no-one hears..he is always here.

so why..give into..mere men fears
jesus hear's..drop..any fears

when..the lover comes..the demons fears..hope our negative mindset..
drives him..away..[be wary..of comforting demons..unawares]..the texts reveal..the delusional..of fears..one ignores..or..the other hears

otb,

Lol...

Bye

Cheers, Tony... A Bit of Fry and Laurie for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVkckG6zw6I

As always, KarlX, readers will decide for themselves whether your personal putdowns or my generalised allegories are within the acceptable standards of the forum.

"All I am trying to do is hold the forum to its own standards."

GrahamY has that Hurculean labour.

Your charge, "If you crave attention so much just come out and say "Hey chaps I need attention"." is baseless. I don't believe I have a greater ego than any poster here. But I find that statement reflective in the context of this thread in that it was you who came charging through the undergrowth of the commentary thumping your chest, if not a tub, as a self-appointed standards judge.

Again, others will make their own judgments of the forum. As has Houellebecq: "...your lack of any kind of charm or levity or stimulating ideas has made it all a very unrewarding experience"

It is called On Line Opinion not On Line Consensus, after all, so imperfection is going to be part of the mix. I have accepted mine... and yours. You do the same and then we might move on to one of your 'stimulating ideas'?