Lucyface,

Your thread is pathetic, and your justification for your fake outrage is absurd, the blame for the deaths at sea lies entirely at the feet of the Labor government.

<< Rudd did not force one person onto a leaky boat >>

No Is Mise, but he very strongly enticed them to do so. They would not have done it if he had left Howard’s policy alone.

<< They made that decision themselves and paid a lot of money for the privilege. >>

Yes, on the understanding that there been a very significant shift in policy in Australia. They would not have been able to make that decision if Rudd hadn’t tampered with border protection.

The pull factors had been very significantly changed. Or one major pull factor if you like.

It is just so obvious surely that the person and government that did this is highly culpable…. and that you simply cannot place all the blame for deaths at sea on those whose chose to make the journey.

Chris,
Thanks for that, interesting. Looks to be a newer group only in existence for a couple of years. could be an offshoot from an American group.

They certainly are government funded and would not be a surprize if they run a duplication service to that of the Migrant Resourse Centres, of which there are about a dozen in Sydney alone. With the flood of illegal entrants cutting out the genuine refugees, it would appear the groups cliental are the illegals. It also appears that about a quarter of their funds go on wages. Another group getting rid of taxpayers money.

Certainly worth bringing to the attention of the new Minister and maybe some in the media , for further investigation. Will keep the website on file and a lookout for further info.

Paul1405
You really shift the goalposts around to suit your purposes don't you?
I don't recall posting anything like your statement;
"Folks, The real culprit is a quango called Settlement Services. This organization gets massive funding from the government to settle refuges in Australia."
These are possibly your words but not mine.
Your pathetic party-line fundamentalism gives you away in many of your posts.
I have garnered a few and passed them on to a 'higher authority' so don't be surprised if you get a late night wake up call from the men in black hats.
Being anonymous is one thing but hiding behind a wall of infantile sanctimonious rhetoric is requires a lot more guile than you will ever possess

One more time. Labor was trying to dissuade boat journeys following the the abandonment (correctly) of the forced towing/turning back policy that processed asylum claims on the open ocean.

The LNP blocked the policy Labor designed to achieve that with dishonest slurs about Malaysia it has now retracted, saying it was only for political gain. Malaysia is none of the things Abbott claimed in his rantings in parliament, he has now revealed in an apology.

There is no disputing these facts, as much as you've tried to twist them, Shallow Minister. Move on

Lucyface,

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The problem with Labor is that they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.

Labor in 2010 had at their feet the chance of reinstating the pacific solution, the law was in place, Nauru and Manus were ready to take illegals, but Labor were simply too stubborn to admit that they had got it wrong. So what they came up with was a half Rsed solution where Malaysia would take about 6 weeks worth of illegals, in exchange for 4000 of their own and about $1bn in cash.

In doing so they violated every assertion they had made over a decade that the illegals were driven by push factors, and that they would never consider sending illegals to a non signatory country to the UNHCR charter.

To go further, they would have to violate the protections put in place by the coalition, and send women and children to a country with one of the worst human rights violations against immigrants and with no legal protection. The high court judgement specifically stated that the pacific solution provided protections that the idiotic Malaysian solution did not.

It was so bad that labor could not even get their coalition partners the greens to assist, and yet Lucyface is pointing the finger at the coalition!

Lucyface this is pure bollocks and everyone knows it.