These are the people who own the illegal guns and use them in their turf wars largely over drug territory, who are protected by avowed gun control nuts like Foxy and the Greens (eg NSW Greens),

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/victorian-police-swoop-on-bikies-in-dawn-raids/story-e6frg6nf-1226736542888

The Howard inspired gun control regulations are completely and notoriously ineffective in addressing the supply, possession and (obviously) the use of illegal guns.

Simply because bikies and other drug trafficking criminals who use guns to threaten, enforce and retaliate, do not apply for firearms licences (which they would never have got even prior to Howard), they do not obtain their guns from legal, legitimate sources as licensed people do, and they do not register their guns nor any other weapons they use.

How simple is that to understand?

How complex and ridiculous are gun control nuts like Foxy and the Greens, who defend and protect OMG bikies and lay the blame for gun crime instead at the thousands of law-abiding, respectable citizens like farmers, Olympic competition shooters and the like? It is the same as blaming law-abiding respectable motorists for violent thugs using cars in the commission of the crimes. Excepting that in the second case, the thug might hold a car licence, whereas his criminal record and intent would always have prevented him from having a firearms licence and owning firearms.

Hands up all those in favour of women not being able to protect themselves from rapists.

Enough of the simple questions, Foxy has left the building.

Belly,

First, show me where I have suggested that guns become freely available? That is your lie.

I support licensing. It is the only robust control and was available before Howard.

Now you prove the Howard inspired 'gun control' is anything more than a political gimmick. You can start by telling us all how Howard's bureaucratic paper-chase and the overbearing monitoring of legal owners prevents crime.

Obviously too, criminals like the drug-dealing OMGs will brutalise and kill as many as they like, with or without guns. It is only police on the ground with the power and cooperation to investigate and bring them to heel that has any effect. Redundancy of laws, doubling, tripling or quadrupling laws does not deter anyone who sets out to break the law.

Now you can also tell us why your Labor side-kicks, the Greens and so many of the lunatic authoritarian Left are so sweet and soft on criminals and OMG bikies in particular. What is it? Is it that all rule benders have to stick together?

Belly, Sorry mate the cops were not searching for guns.
They had what is known as an "inclusive" warrant which allows them to 'fish' for evidence of indictable offenses.
They were baiting the "bikie gangs"
If these blokes wanted to shoot the cops they could at any time, and they probably will at a later date but they didn't hand in their guns.
In fact I just had a news flash that the police are updating their weapons right now to give themselves a chance against the gangs.

onthebeach,
An interesting link here which makes you thing seriously about Howard's role in the Port Arthur thing.
http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/the_facts.html