Dear platypus900,

You say “we will have a lot to answer to God for murdering so many unborn babies”.

Well the rate of 'natural' abortions, those where the fertilised egg does not reach a live birth without human intervention is estimated between 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 of all pregnancies. This is a far higher rate than women deciding to abort their pregnancies.

This makes God the great aborter.

It follows then, based on your logic, that God has a lot to answer for for 'murdering so many unborn babies'.

Personally, I fail to see how anyone has the right to decide what another person can do.

Besides, just being on the pill is an act of abortion to a certain extent, it's intent is not so much to end life, but to prevent it from happening.

So what's next, do we stop people taking the pill as well.

Mind your own business I say.

@reh

hi there
we are talking about life
sanctity of life
taking a pill to prevent life is way way different from ending a life?

@fester

yes, that is the position i am taking
an unfertilised egg is not a life

@Bec

i like your post
very good and honest questions and best of all
you honor the sanctity of life

let me see if i can help you

a. as in all things in life...if you ask the wrong questions, you get the wrong answers to the issue at hand. And if you start from the wrong perspective, you end up again getting a muddled up and possibly wrong answer

b. in this case, the question to ask is how much importance you put to life, a human life, your own flesh and blood. If that is the highest order of importance, then the other problems need to be solved, resolved accordingly.

c. no baby is ever unwanted. If the destitute mother cannot look after the baby, put the baby up for adoption. Many childless couples will love the baby with all they love they can give. And then may i add to that destitute parents, please engage in safe sex and better still, if they already had enough children, go for a ligation (male or female, up to them).

d. IUD does not prevent fertilisation. It prevents a fertilised egg from implantation on the uterus wall. It literally strangles a developing life to death. You can find out more from our wiki fren.

platypis1900,

You wrote; "That is why I always say if we want to talk about moral issues, we must do it in the context of God, not the country's legal framework."

Have you been talking to God? To justify one's opinions by saying that is what God wants is plain arrogance. I once believed in God. I no longer believe in God, but I never took it upon myself to decide what God wants. The country's legal framework is what determines our actions in most cases. Our conscience may tell us that we should not follow that framework, but it is delusion to say that is what God wants.

I think it is more reasonable to allow the pregnant woman to decide what she wants and to see that gets her abortion in safe conditions if she wants. The World Trade Center is no longer standing possibly because a group of men decided that's what God wanted.

When I was a child and heard the nauseating Abraham and Isaac story I asked my father what he would do if he heard God telling him to sacrifice me. My father told me he would see a psychiatrist.

People who tell me what God wants give me the creeps.

platypus,

"we are talking about life
sanctity of life"

You neglected to reply to my enquiry....is the sanctity of life absolute?

And if it is, why do you call for the death penalty?

@david
i pray to God
He speaks to me through His written Word and also His Spoken Word
My views are formed through the study of the Bible and from discussions with fellow believers who are more diligent and wiser than me.
I never for once will base my moral behaviour based on the legal framework of the country.
That is from an amoral basis...a humanistic and arbitrary approach.
But that does not mean i will not submit to the laws of the land.

Abraham story?
I think you and your father missed the point completely.
Contrary to how you and your father feel, I think that is one of the most moving passages in the scriptures about Abraham's faith in the sovereign God.
We can start a religious thread and discuss this.
Not my intention to do that in this Thread.

WTC? Airing views in this Forum is not WTC right?
No, I do not subscribe to the methods used by militant religious fundamentalist.
As i said, i have my set of beliefs but i will not go burn clinics or stalk or harassed women who wants abortion

I respect (sadly) the fact you have chosen not to believe in God but that does not mean those who chose to believe in God are misled.

@poirot
absolute?
as in no exceptions?
you are not reading my posts carefully
i can think of 2 exceptions

a. when the mother's life is threatened by the fetus' continued growth and there is nothing modern science can do to save the unborn
b. when a man has taken the life of another human with proven (100% without doubt) evidence. The murderer has lost his right to live. That dear poirot, is upholding the sanctity of life. I thought you would have figured that out yourself?