Hasbeen, anyone who believes that only Muslims have ever
killed "...each other like crazy, just because they follow a different branch of the same religion."
(Think- Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland and England);

or anyone who actually believes that Muslims haven't already contributed
"...to Oz or any western country is, as the lady said in the anti drink driving add, "A BLOODY IDIOT"."

Susonline: or anyone who actually believes that Muslims haven't already contributed.

Lakemba riots, gang bangs, car recycling, drugs, general unrest for Australian people. Not much else though. You're right Suze, they have contributed a lot.

SOL: Think- Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland and England);

Yes, well the Irish! Still, it's confined to one or two towns in one little corner of the World about half the size of Tasmania. They confine their tiff to themselves. It's not spreading terror all over the World like the Muslims do. Is it?

To get back to basics;
Is there a country that has had significant moslem immigration that has
not had problems with arrogant demands for the host country to comply
with Islamic rules ?

Is there a country that has had significant moslem immigration that has
not had problems with terrorism activity at one level or another ?

For some reason the women on this thread ALL seem to adopt the attitude
that all is loverly with the Islamic trend in this country.
Is it that they secretly long for a men orintated society and would love
to live as moslem women live ?

Susie,
There were heaps of Irish immigrants that came here and they never continued the violence here.

Lexi,
Yep, muslims blow each other up because of small differences in religion. The Kurds cop it from both Sunnis and Shia. Notice the violence in Lakembla between Sunnis and Shia, over the Syrian civil war. We can expect much more of that as the immigration numbers increase. The hatreds are refreshed with the new arrivals.

"Therefore I find that the idea that Muslims are just
one lot of 1.6 billion people effectively functioning
exactly the same - as somewhat bizarre."

It is bizarre that you are unwilling to accept what survey and study after study has found about Islam which is Muslims want sharia law regardless of which sect they belong to.

The apologists for Islam use this lie often which is not all Muslims are the same. It's wrong because all Muslims want sharia.

That is not in dispute.

The psychology of non-Muslims who support Islam is however an area of dispute; do they support Islam because they are anti-West and since Islam is also anti-west it is a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Maybe the apologists for Islam have such high opinions of themselves and their moral sensibilities that once they have decided Muslims, perhaps as boat-people, need their moral support they are incapable of changing their minds.

Maybe the defenders of Islam are really Muslims pretending not to be.

Regardless one of the most bizarre manifestations of the illogic and ultimately self-destruction the human mind is capable of is so-called progressive women supporting Islam which regards women as no more than baby-factories and chattels.

Now that is truly bizarre.

To say that the women on this discussion are apologists
for Islam is simply wrong. That's like saying that the
men on this discussion are narrow-minded bigots.

I don't think that any one would advocate or approve of
violence no matter what religious fundamentalists
would advocate it.
Be it American conservatives who bomb abortion clinics
and want to murder doctors who perform abortions or whether
it is political fanaticism exemplified in aircraft
hijackings and terrorist bombings.

The point that is being made however is that religious
fundamentalist revivals, in whatever religion usually
take place in times when social changes have led to
turmoil, uncertainty, and the erosion of familiar values.
In other words conditions that exist in the middle east are
specific social and cultural conditions and they influence
the subsequent course of social change within those countries.

As far as Asutralia is concerned we religious laws have
no legal status here and we are all obliged to obey the
laws of this country - no matter what religion we happen to
be.

However, to talk about Islam as if everyone follows the
religion in exactly the same way - and interprets the Koran
in exactly the same way - is simply silly. When we know that
the reality is that very often religious leaders of the same
faith often disagree on so many things within their own teachings.

But if you think you know it all - well how can anyone
argue with someone who knows it all?