That's a fair point Poirot, at face value. Without going into the pros and cons of whether Morsoi should have been removed, and I personally think he should because like Turkey Egypt was having its constitution rewritten to remove the democratic rights for others which the Muslim brotherhood enjoyed to win the election, the fact is the Brotherhood deliberately engaged the army at their prearranged demonstrations and were plainly well armed.

Protesting peacefully is one thing and using your demonstrations to shoot at police is another.

Let me ask you, do you think the Muslim Brotherhood were going to go peacefully? Consider what their leader and founder Hassan al-Banna says:

God is our goal.

The Prophet is our leader.

The Koran is our constitution.

Jihad is our way.

Death in the service of God is the loftiest of our wishes.

God is great, God is great.

To me your concern is predicated on the possibility of a reasonable discourse and compromise with Islamist groups with the resolution being that they will be happy to live within a secular democracy.

Tell me if that is not your assumption, but if it is it is plainly wrong. As I have argued there is no evidence within Islam that is the case.

Inevitably therefore conflict with Islam is the only resolution. With that in mind I do not think the next 10 years in Australia is going to be very pleasant as our Muslim population grows.

But tell me by all means where you see examples and evidence of moderation coming from within Islam.

'Runner,

It's not the "examples" - it's always been the followers. '

hardly the right term 'follower ' if you ain't following. That means a good muslim is one that does not folllow Mohammed.

Cohenite: But tell me by all means where you see examples and evidence of moderation coming from within Islam.

I'll have a bet with you C. You won't get a direct answer from poirot. You will get deflection & avoidance, but not a direct answer. If you do, you will be unique amoungt the posters here.

@poirot

i try not to critique what is happening in egypt now
too complex
that faith condones lying
how in the world you try to find out the truth
many of them have DID to allah
how to verify that?

i will comment on how they behave in countries i worked and lived in
and that i do believe i know from first hand experience

armchair critique is all so academic

cheers

platy: that faith condones lying. how in the world you try to find out the truth.

I guess you don't. I take it that it's only condoned to "Taqiyya" (lie) to Infidels, not Muslims. Am I correct in that; csteel, poirot, Lexi, etc? You lot profess to know more about Islam than I do.

cohenite,

Well, it's all about "power" and power vacuums.

What started all this in the first place?

Humans are vicious when the conditions are ripe.