......I hope he remains leader, until after the election.

Yes Belly, but for the wrong reasons, as your only hope is that labor wins, but you care little for the betterment of the country.

What labor lovers forget is that unlike your party, the libs are a team, and the likes of Turnbul are part of that team, and whether he is leader or not, will not effect his ability to be an asset to his party.

The same could not have been said about Rudd, who continually undermined Gillard from the day he was sacked.

As for the libs, and again unlike labor, if Tony Abbott numbers are dire leading into the election, my bet is he will gracefully step aside and allow labor to be FLOGGED by Turnbul. He will also offer his loyal support.

I am afraid your beloved labor has suffered from what is known as 'enough rope syndrome' as they were simply given enough rope and they put it to very predictable use and hung themselves.

Like it or not, Kev in on the slide and should have called a snap election, but hey, what would I know, I am just the I'll informed one on OLO.

rehctub said; "I (rehctub) am just the I'll (ill) informed one on OLO." About time you made a true statement.

"But us the workers who in time and every time dump Labor." Belly in the type of democracy we live and vote in you would expect Labor to be the party of the "natural majority". The minority represented by a conservative party of vested interests should be nothing more than a minority opposition, but have the advantage of the element of fear, and use it very effectively through the media they control. There is nothing new in the way Abbott is using fear and negativity to trying and take power, for the conservatives its a tried and true formula, which has been so effective in the past. As a old timer like myself you must have seen the "fear factor" being wheeled out and used time and time again against the majority.
In the informative days of Australian politics Labor was the third party, but grew quickly. Forming a short lived national government only about 10 years after its formation. In the beginning those that wheeled the power in society were in fear of Labor, seeing it as a radical movement of revolution. The democracy we accept today as being the norm was revolutionary and radical only 100 odd years ago. As soon as the power in society realised that by giving small tokens to the working class they could still manipulate and control society, Labor with its gradual change from within philosophy was okay with them. In fact they quickly realised Labor was an asset, a bulwark against true revolution, eg communist style of Russia 1917.
I believe Labor has served Australia well and as a former member I have nothing but praise for the Labor leadership of the past that achieved so much for ordinary Australians.

Paul, now thats funny!

In all seriousness Paul, it's your beloved labor tha has introduced casualization into the workforce, something that has decimated many families and dreams.

Take a bow!

Paul while you and I disagree you tend to wipe the floor with Rechtub.
Not a hard task however.
In thread after thread my view Turnbull is both a true Liberal and the man to take them in to power I get a verbal kicking.
Abbott has caught the Queensland fever, a deadly illness in politics.
It served Joe well, but has Newman bundled up and ready to be beaten.
Consisting of a lot of shouting red necked stuff it fails to sell in the southern states.
Maybe its in the water ,once part of NSW now owned by ex Victorians it needs intellectual stimulation.

So Belly, are you suggesting labor did not cause the casualization of our workforce?