When all is said and done we vote for neither Abbott nor Rudd we vote for a local humpty-dumpty who mustn't use independent judgment or follow the constituent's wishes in legislative matters at the cost of being disendorsed. Said humpty-dumpty may use independent judgment and disregard wishes of constituents in getting rid of party leader in a leadership spill. This is a system for a supposed democratic nation?

I think both Abbott and Rudd are unfit to lead Andorra but am more afraid of Abbott.

SPQR,

Not so much....

I'm more interested in highlighting Labor's hypocrisy.

Read it here.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/speeches/2008/ce081117.htm

It's positively breathtaking.

So the upshot is that it's precisely useless to even suspect that any party in pursuit of power is driven by principle as opposed to populist exigences.

I give up.

True believers?

"Nothing left to believe in."

http://thehoopla.com.au/left-true-believers/

It's more of being in control of the situation, that is what defines who comes here. There is a process and its called immigration.
Abbott the rabbitt; is in dispare and has got tremors up and down his spine. Not a good look for a would be PM. No policies and no idea, what a politically illiterate being.
the economy comes in last, only to be beaten by Turnbull, he is a real man among men, and listening listening.

doog,

I believe you're right that Rudd has effectively shut down Abbott and his slogans.

Some of us, however we enjoy watching one lot outmaneuver the other, draw the line at parties ditching fundamental principles in order to achieve ascendency.

If you're drawn to a political persuasion on principle, what do you do when there's almost nothing recognisable left on the agenda?

Poirot,
Could you tell us what are your principles on:
Border control?
Illegal entrance?
Genuine Refugees?