Sorry David F, but I have double checked my post and can't see any mention of fraking.

I did mention that Bob Erwin, ambasitor for the greens is a hypocrit, as one the one hand he wants our mines/ports closed, while on the other his business feeds from the very energy, supplied by the very mines he is trying to shut down.

Now that I have put you back on task, would you care to readdress my post, or, will you simply divert again?

rehctub:

Bob Irwin is not & has not been connected with Australia Zoo recently. His daughter-in-law has shut him out since his son died. However, you condemned all the Greens as hypocrites and poison. You really don't have a clue what they want or what they are about. They have as a goal to develop a sustainable Australia which is not dependent on processes which will destroy the future.

I repeat - when the land and sea are poisoned will you eat money?

David f, you say.......They have as a goal to develop a sustainable Australia which is not dependent on processes which will destroy the future.

Simply tell me How!

You see, we have just come through the biggest mining boom our nation has experienced and, with the assistance of the greens, (and their reckless open door asylum policy), labor, have managed to rack up some $400 billion of debt in under six years.

So, as YOUR sustainable future obviously involves dramatic reductions in mining, tell me how you propose we achieve this dream of a sustainable future, without starving the present generations?

Now I will ask you another question.

Do you drive a car, do you use electricity supplied by the grid, is your computer running off grid supply and do you buy your foods, or a portion of them from a shop.

Now if you answer yes to one, or all of the above, then you are guilty of supporting the very cause you are trying to shut down.

Finally, as for my statement of the greens being poison, let's just wait and see what the voters think, as it's my bet thatbthe greens will be wipped out at the forthcoming election.

Let's see who's right!

Divergence we may just have to disagree on this one.
It remains my view voters who voted for one of the main party,s are always going to be unhappy with minority,s controlling not the party of choice.
No way this, rude or not it remains my view, informed folk on both sides saw *blackmail* used by those small party.s in both the Federal Parliament and the NSW one.
And let us look closer at first the greens, yes they helped Labor pass legislation.
But too stopped true action on some very important things.
Greens, best votes effort 12%, as must if not more than any party, can and should be held to account for the deaths at sea.
Is Democracy about ensuring the few are represented? or about the will of the most.
Post election 2013 the upper house may have members from 3 small party,s.
And together those could rule against the will of the majority, that is undemocratic

SM, I took exception to your comment that members of The Greens such as myself would in some way be cheering the deaths of innocent men, women and children at sea under horrific circumstances. Yes, I called you a "bigoted raciest" as I have never seen you post one word of compassion for asylum seekers.
Regardless of the legality of the situation and regardless of the political clap trap that is being thrown around, at the end of the day these people are our fellow human beings with the same feelings and emotions as us, who through circumstance which they have no control over have been put into terrible situations. You and others can judge these people all you like, look at them, look at their children and then maybe you might understand that put into the same situation under the same circumstances you may act in the very same way, I know I would.

Paul I don't know what planet you inhabit, but if you actually believe this garbage you spout about illegal boat people, you sure can't live on this one.

All those knocking the US first past the post electoral system seem to be studiously avoiding the fact that it is the same system that is used in the UK.

The UK has 4 parties in parliament, with the smallest rapidly growing. They are growing so quickly they have recently won some county councils. First past the post doesn't prevent parties with some real policies making progress.

You only have to look to Tasmania & watch the slow motion train wreck that the state is, to see what happens when you let the ratbag fringe dwellers into the hen house proper.

If the fringe dwellers want to get into the lower house, they will have to come out of fairy land, & produce some policies that real people can see as viable. Then & only then, & provided they got rid of those with fairy wings, could they expect sensible folk to vote for them.