It was reported only 10 of the refugees on Nauru did not take part in the riot.

The damage estimate is around $60 million dollars, police have arrested around 129 people in connection to the damage and riot.

My question is what action should the Government take against ALL the people involved?

My opinion is the 10 who did not get involved should be bought to Australia and the rest deported or absolutely never let into Australia and make them live in tents with no air conditioners for as long as they are on Nauru.

Segregate them from any newly built facilities so they do not destroy them as well.

Phillip,
Agree with what you say but judging on the past penalties, that will not happen.

If the charges are not dropped, the offenders will simply be told they are naughty boys and let off.

Phil S great maths
There are 545 male detainees at Nauru, and 129 have been identified as involved in the riot. They are being held at the Police watch house.
545-129 = 10?

The ringleaders are expected to be charged with affray and property damage. As it should be. These asylum seekers see themselves as being in a state of Limbo on Nauru and are venting their frustrations in this dangerous manner, which cannot be condoned. Immigration Minister Tony Burke says those responsible will be subject to the criminal laws of Nauru and could face severe penalties. A court of law is the proper place to deal with this, no where else.

Paul1405 - Obviously a refugee advocate.

A report earlier stated 10 people were not involved, I included that in my post to indicate not ALL were involved and that some were of good character.

The rest were involved just because they were not charged does not mean they were less culpable it just means they were not identified as ringleaders or they were not identified as causing damage, but they did escape custody so they potentially could have been charged.

So not bad math just police not wanting to arrest 535 people and have more trouble on there hands. Which you know, police do not arrest everyone in these situations usually only the ringleaders.

A good try a deflecting the argument as an advocate but not this time.

PhillipS,

All of the internees implicated in the riot should be deported.

But I'll bet you it wont happened, going on past incidents --this is far from the first such case --there might be a few tokenistic deportations but the majority will be lightly tapped on the hand and told they are forgiven

There is another aspect of the riot which is worthy of note: the assistance provide by the locals Nauruans to the centres staff and police.They apparently ringed the fences to ensure no one escaped.

If a similar riot happening on the Oz mainland.The centre would be ringed by a phalanx of refugee advocates trying to help the rioters escape.

It says a lot about how years of enforced political correcting intimidation has impacted on our population

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Paul 1405,
<<A court of law is the proper place to deal with this, no where else>>

Except, our courts of law have shown a tendency to play politics, as in: "We don't want to jeopardize your asylum claim so the court will only impose a light sentence...you naughty boy you"

Paul 1405,
<<A court of law is the proper place to deal with this, no where else>>
Paul1405,
Ideally yes but our Law people have proven to saturation point that they're incapable of doing that. So, where from here ?
I suggest the Australian Government buy those old boats off the indonesian people smugglers & give them to those invaders & let them sail into the blue yonder. Maybe they can find some uninhabited islands somewhere & be happy ever after. They'll just have to start fighting amongst themselves as soon as they get that urge so peculiar to them. Natural attrition will ensure, problem greatly reduced & continuing to reduce.

>>Nauru $60 Million dollars damage - What should happen to the perpetrators.<<

Send the buggers back to Australia, and that will be the end of it. That is what Labor had been doing to the many other unreported acts of criminality from our new chums.

The one reason they keep coming is that they know their chances are very good of getting here. If they were to be turned back into international waters at entering australian waters then it'll be their undoing will be of their own doing.
If they can fight here then they can fight their oppressors at home.

Paul1405 - Here is a quote for you.

"A spokeswoman for the Nauruan government said police were stood down at 5am on Saturday. She said only 10 asylum seekers had not had any involvement in the riots."

Every one of us has every right to feel as I do about this *ENRAGED*
We however have zero right, as in any criminal matter to take over from authority the roll they, not us play in law enforcement.
I will not prejudge those folk but hold every court to account if one of these now criminals is settled here.

$60,000,000 is about $3 for every Australian and about $10 for every taxpayer. Every Australian should rightly be outraged at this criminal action, and this is just one case.

Hey Belly,

Re: <<if one of these now criminals is settled here.>>

Going on past experience you are going to be disappointed. Our courts have shown a tendency to go easy on such offenders --not wanting to endanger their asylum claims.

All good labor and all good conservatives should stand together on issues like this. The only ones who see such behavior as permissible are the Greens and their fellow travelers, some of whom are already trying to shaft the blame to us for holding the offenders in detention.

Unfortunately the Greens & co have a voice disproportionate to their numbers as they tend to have the backing of groups like the ABC & SBS.

60 mills would help a lot of unfortunate Australians ! Think about that when you cast your vote next federal election. Think about all the other wastage also.

Philip S,

Why resurrect the facilities? Let them live in the results of their destruction. If they want shelter, let them erect their own makeshift ones! Food? Give them rice and beans, and tell them to cook their own. Cheap, filling, and what they're used to 'back home'.
Surely this would prove a deterrent as soon as word got out [via their cell phones and internet] that we've stopped being a soft touch, and are no longer willing to play rich uncle indulging their expectations of a never-ending indolent work free lifestyle.

Seems they don't have any regard for what is given to them so freely, and this is just another example of what we've seen them do in other countries when they don't get their own way - riot, burn and do as much harm to others as they can. DISGUSTING!

And this is paid for with our taxes!

And the 'bleeding hearts' still want them treated with kid gloves?

Well, we now see that this has proved to be a dismal failure, so it's time they too deal with the reality that these men do not deserve compassion. They have committed arson, and our laws have harsh penalties for that.

Interesting legal issues here.
Nauru is a sovereign state.
It does not belong to Australia.
Unless these camps are actually gazetted as diplomatic posts Australia has to rely on the Nauru legal system,which is pretty primitive, to prosecute these people.
Let us say these people are convicted and sentenced to imprisonment. Where do they go to prison? If the are fined. Who pays the fine?
Perhaps we can give then suspended sentences or good behavior bonds.
Who supplies the parole and probation services to police these orders.
Are the any of these people under 18 and if so are there Juvenile Justice officials on the island to exercise the Youth Justice Act of the Naurian Government. What! They don't have one.
The whole thing is ludicrous and corrupt to the core.

chrisgaff1000 - Quote "The whole thing is ludicrous and corrupt to the core."

What is ludicrous is that these scum are taking our good will and kicking us back, $60 Million think how many schools that could have built.
Give them tents that way it is easier and cheaper to replace, after all that is exactly what the UN give them.

NOT ONE of those involved should set foot on Australian soil.

They are under Nauru legal system and I hope the Government of Australia do what they said last time there was a riot on Nauru give them NO legal aid.

We can't give them legal aid.
They are not Australian citizens or recognized under our constitution. Let the UN fund their legal bills.

chrisgaff1000 - Regretably you are wrong the legal aid bill for the ones in Australia runs into the millions every year, taxpayers even fund the high court challenges.

This is something Rudd needs to change.

$60 Million think how many schools that could have built.
Philip S,
Yes, they could have built another 42 million dollar island school plus start another.

There is one other thing no politician has bought up, what idiot had things built that they could burn after all they already burnt down 1 detention center in Australia.

They should have thought about that before they awarded the contract.

$10 says the scum will do it again in the future if they don't get what they want.

Steel frame and plenty of corrugated iron with rock wool, perhaps?

Criminals manage to set fire to gaols with bedding and furniture. Maybe fire retardant and insect unfriendly materials for bedding.

I reckon the best solution is to be proactive and not end up with them using the appeals process to further their stay to get advantage over authorities.

Follow Denmark and make the decision of the Immigration Department final, with no appeals allowed. Denmark has a maximum of 1 week turnaround. Where the person will not return to his previous country for some reason and some countries don't want troublemakers back, Denmark sends the person to any other country that will take them.

It is ridiculous that Australia has created a rod for its own back and a huge hole in the federal budget by not only allowing appeals agaicnt the informed decisions of Immigration (as advised by DOFA, but also by funding agencies and lobbyists to second-guess Immigration (and create on-going business for themselves).

Shipping containers at $1000 ea.

Easy,

Let them be tried and convicted under Nauru law, then excluded from seeking asylum, as criminals are excluded under the UNHCR charter.

Shameful that you fellas apparently posses so little humanity.

(let me get this straight - you people represent what's best about Western culture?....Amazing!)

How would you like to be treated like this because you've decided to flee to safety?

http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/24/nauru-staff-condemn-cruel-conditions

Don't dismiss it because it's from New Matilda. It's commentary from the people who were charged with looking after asylum seekers on Nauru.

Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Fathers, sons, brothers, who are trying to forge a life for themselves and their family. Frustrated and down-trodden by the degrading bureaucracy implemented by our government. - See more at: http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/24/nauru-staff-condemn-cruel-conditions#sthash.e3SAr7vr.dpuf
Poirot,
I imagine there'd be quite a few Australians who fall into this category.

individual,

Australians are not running from war or political or religious persecution.

Nothing excuses a supposedly civilised and cultured first-world country of treating fellow humans inhumanely.

If you cage men up in atrocious conditions, provide them with no hope and nothing to do - what do you think happens?

My opinion is if these men have families in home countries why are they on Naru having abandoned their family? Fly them back home! If their home country is good enough to leave their families there it is good enough for them.

Poirot, "If you cage men up in atrocious conditions, provide them with no hope and nothing to do - what do you think happens?"

Why just men?

But no, men don't do that at all. Where it suits your ideology you would excuse and deny anything.

What you really meant to say is that where your ideology is concerned the ends justify the means.

You have given excuses for all manner of evil deeds in all sorts of circumstances. As usual, the unexpected consequences of the 'Progressives'. 'Asylum seekers'? Just another excuse to dump on Australians and Australia.

Australians are not running from war or political or religious persecution.
Poirot,
Since when is having a war a prerequisite for persecution ? yes war is a despicable thing but try & explain that to those power mongers in politics & bureaucracy.
I have absolutely no doubt that the whole bizo is an agenda, nothing else & Australia is the goal. If that goal is not reached then of course the thought of missing out on umpteen virgins in the sky at a later date is enough to drive them crazy & start demolishing the place they don't want to be in. Why, just look at ourselves how we carry on at the prospect of our preferred party not winning an election ? Luckily some of us still have the privilege of individual thought but once you're brainwashed that's the start of the end.

Poirot - Quote "If you cage men up in atrocious conditions"
WHO are you trying to kid, the conditions are MUCH BETTER than the UN give in Africa and to the Syrian refugees plus they don't have to cue in the hope on getting a small meal etc.

Only a few are the ringleaders, they need to be weeded out and deported.

Quote "Nothing excuses a supposedly civilized and cultured first-world country of treating fellow humans inhumanely." YOU have to either be a refugee yourself or an advocate, They were told there claims would take up to 5 years to be processed, a lot are just plain scum who have a mindset of ENTITLEMENT unless they get what they want they show there true colors.

To quote you further "How would you like to be treated like this because you've decided to flee to safety?" What part of the sentence ECONOMIC REFUGEE don't you understand. They were safe in Malaysia, also Indonesia also the other countries there tourist visa took them through.

At the risk of seeming racist or anti-Muslim, why do Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis feel the need to leave Indonesia the largest Muslim country in the world to come to Australia the land of infidels?

Why don't the refugee advocates want a more selective refugee policy than throwing the doors open to 1000's of Muslims when we know the majority can't assimilate?

Better to nip it in the bud and be called names by the lefties. In the future our children will be thankful Australia didn't follow the mistakes of so many European countries that would now like to turn back the clock.

so many European countries that would now like to turn back the clock.
sbr108,
I remember saying this to people back in Europe in the 60's as a teenager. Of course I was ridiculed just like it happens here now 50 years on.
I left Europe because of PC & now it's entrenched here. There's just no getting away from morons is there, every country has them. If only intelligence were genetic. How about some engineering in that field ? It'd beat indoctrination hands down.

Individual,
<Fathers, sons, brothers, who are trying to forge a life for themselves and their family.> At me and my families expense. That's crap mate. I fought three wars for what I got and we get and I'm damn sure I'm not going to allow some unstuck politician, who wouldn't know one end of a rifle from the other, or some socialist bluger, who couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag to defend himself, tell me I have to share with Islamic fundamentalists and their brethren.

Poirot,
Let the stand up and fight for what they see as right in their own country. They run away and the the "bullies" win by default. If they get killed at least they had a go. Look at Syria.

Sooner than later Islam will take over Australia as it will the world. Why help their invasion along? We should at least try to prevent it happening.

otb,

"Why just men?"

Because I was discussing the "men" imprisoned in a badly run detention centre on Manus Island.

"You have given excuses for all manner of evil deeds in all sorts of circumstances."

".....where your ideology is concerned the ends justify the means."

Strangely enough, the above description perfectly describes the little coterie gathered here to demonise asylum seekers and "put them in their place".

"At the risk of seeming racist", sbr108 there is no risk with me being possibly seen as racist, you are totally racist. Keep up the "good work" I can see you going places in the party, you will make under fuhrer before you know it.

Poirot - Like usual you fail to respond to my comments now if you are unable please just say so, otherwise I can only conclude you have no counter argument. Here it is again.

Poirot - Quote "If you cage men up in atrocious conditions"
WHO are you trying to kid, the conditions are MUCH BETTER than the UN give in Africa and to the Syrian refugees plus they don't have to cue in the hope on getting a small meal etc.

Only a few are the ringleaders, they need to be weeded out and deported.

Quote "Nothing excuses a supposedly civilized and cultured first-world country of treating fellow humans inhumanely." YOU have to either be a refugee yourself or an advocate, They were told there claims would take up to 5 years to be processed, a lot are just plain scum who have a mindset of ENTITLEMENT unless they get what they want they show there true colors.

To quote you further "How would you like to be treated like this because you've decided to flee to safety?" What part of "ECONOMIC REFUGEE" don't you understand. They were safe in Malaysia, also Indonesia also the other countries there tourist visa took them through.

Philip S,

I don't need to provide a counter argument.

The facts speak for themselves.

Watch Dateline.

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/601700/n/Manus-Whistleblower

If you believe that the detention camp run by Australia in the form of Manus is first class, that tells me a lot about your standards.

Re Manus

They were reporting on the radio this morning that most of the Manus detainees had since been transferred to the mainland --so much for investigating and charging the guilty, ay!

What a joke our immigration controls are!

SPQR,

I think the object there is to sweep the whole damn lot under the carpet - both the crimes and the fact that they were ignored - and the fact that Manus was ill-run.

SPQR, "What a joke our immigration controls are!"

What a joke the government is!

That could easily lose Rudd plenty of seats.

Rudd doesn't have the conviction and resoluteness to deal with the Fifth Column he has in Labor ranks on this issue. It is easy to imagine Rudd caving in if elected as well. If he was in a partnership with the treacherous Greens he would be more wobbly than Julia Whatshername, that redhead the aboriginals chased from a restaurant.

I see Rudd as an extremely shallow character. His attempts to come across as serious are seriously flawed. He is an extreme egoist, with an extreme degree of incompetence.
I'm sure somewhere in that ALP crowd there are a few genuine lollies but for them to be heard/seen requires the Dudd to be out of the picture.

damn predictive spelling, should be pollies.

I'm sure somewhere in that Coalition crowd there are a few genuine Wally's.

damn predictive spelling, should be Wombats.

<< Coalition ...Wombats>>

Even a wombat as enough sense to defend its own burrow--unlike the Green dingbat.

SPQR , I thought I was having trouble with my predictive speller. Every time I typed the word Abbott it changes it automatically to Idiot. Not so, I went to my thesaurus and typed in Abbott and look what popped up; ass, birdbrain, blockhead, bonehead, boob*, bore, buffoon, clod, clown, cretin*, dimwit, dolt*, dope*, dumb ox, dunce, dunderhead, easy mark, fair game, fathead, goose, halfwit, idiot, ignoramus, illiterate, imbecile, innocent, jerk*, lamebrain, lightweight, loon, moron, nerd*, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, numskull, oaf, sap*, schlemiel, silly, simpleton, stooge, sucker, turkey, twerp, twit.

Watch it, Paul...SPQR will accuse you of cherry-picking.

: )

I quite like "schlemiel".

@Paul1405,

<<SPQR , I thought I was having trouble with my predictive speller. Every time I typed the word Abbott it changes it automatically to Idiot>>

Ah-ha! let me tell you why. As you were quick to pick-up search-engines now-a-days are "predictive". There is a little mind inside every search-engine trying to correct all your typing errors.

But there are limits to everything, after putting up with 2000 missed keys, coffee spills and dropped mouses you systems little predictive mind had had enough.So, then, when your typed in "Abbott" --a unconventional spelling.It finally blew its cool and blurted out its frustrations ..."idiot"

Sorry SPQR, no second prize, leave the funnies to me. When it come to joking the old stick in the mud conservatives can't cut it. I'll have you know the only thing we Greenies spill on our keyboards is chardy, organic of course.
Poirot, nothing like a bit of cherry pick'n, organic cherries naturally, for me, makes a change from me transcendental meditation sessions where I balance me yin with me yang or is that me yong with me bong. repeat after me ummmmmmmmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmm. Its a crack up on this forum, well the posts by Abbotts rabbits are at least.

@Paul1405,

<<SPQR...leave the funnies to me>>

Sorry to break it to you, but the jokes on the Greens...

Everyone is laughing at the Greens--not with them.

Why? because both major parties have resolved not to preference the Greens high...

Which will mean, that, come about 8PM on election night , poor ol' Adam Bandt- and ONLY Green in the House of Reps will be out on his backside
--the Green's Deputy leader out on his backside after only one term--ouch!

And that's why we're all laughing!

LOL

While all are so jocular, this Bandt?

http://www.vexnews.com/2010/08/entryism-adam-bandts-plan-for-marxists-to-seize-control-of-the-bourgeois-greens-party-revealed/

The Greens are, well, different, aren't they? LOL

The air-conditioners were clearly visible in all the accommodations for
asylum seekers, hardly a third world refugee camp.

Beach person, your Nazi Party finally got their "news" site up and running. Who's idea was it to call it "Vexnews", yours or Joe Goebbels.
SPQR we should feel honored that the two big fascist parties don't want us in parliament.
What do you two do when your not posting rubbish on the forum, poke the eyes out of asylum seeker dolls?

Beach person if you are going to supply links, at least make them creditable. Not some wako web site run by this bloke
Andrew Landeryou became managing director of IQ Corporation, a sports statistics company, which was invested in by Solomon Lew until it went into liquidation in 2003. He was also a co-owner of a company Marbain, After he failed to answer a court summons in December 2004 in relation to Marbain, Landeryou spent five months hiding out in Costa Rica. In May 2005, Landeryou was arrested on his return to Australia and was required to attend at a liquidator's examination of his affairs. Landeryou was declared bankrupt by the Federal Magistrates Court in May 2006.
You sure can pick em.

Paul1405
Personally I think you are sailing very close to a defamation suit. I think this forum allows you to criticize the subject but not denigrate the person. Especially when they are not here to defend themselves.

Premeditated - That is what the damage was it has been reported that they packed all there things and removed them from the buildings before the riot.

I hope they enjoy there tents NO AIRCON.

Could have saved $60 Million dollars if the bureaucrats had used there brains, they did it before it was inevitable they would do it again.