David Boaz

Some answers to your claims,

The Pope Has Held Christians up for public ridicule.

Christians do not drink blood and eat babies, and neither do Muslims.

History tells us much. and we are said to learn from history, what can be learned from this Christian act of faith, being carried out by learned Christian leaders, the scene, a young four year girl burning at the stake, she had been accused of being a witch because she owned a cat. the so called good people were praying to God to forgive her for her sins, they sprinkled holy oils on the fire. to cleans her soul, " who is carrying out their act of faith today?"

Sprinkling holy oils on the fire of hatred, while praying to God to forgive those who you call evil doers, is a activity of these times, Christian leaders are stoking the fire of hatred, and the bigots on this site are enjoying every minute, they are no different than those christian leaders who prayed to God to forgive a four year old girl that burned to death,
God helps the victims of hate, so when you choose to hate Muslims , you choose to be on the side that is against Gods love of all human beings

It seems the only argument christians have these days is that somehow, when compared to islam, they consider themselves to be "the lesser or two evils".
I don't buy it for a minute.
I'd much rather go for the "BETTER OF TWO GOODS".... ATHEISM OR AGNOSTICISM.

Athair,

If I may be at liberty to interject in your dialogue with David...

”The Pope Has Held Christians up for public ridicule.”

Are you saying that preaching non-violence holds Christians up for public ridicule but calling them “whackos” or “idiots” or agreeing with those comments or referring to dark ages in your comments does not?

Ditto with ill informed allegations that the Pope/ Christians are stroking a fire of hatred and comparing them with rogue Christians who murdered a four year old (if that is a true story not just something made up to vilify Christians).

”History tells us much. and we are said to learn from history, what can be learned from this Christian act of faith, being carried out by learned Christian leaders…”

It teaches that people claiming to be Christian who prey on other Christians are often the most hateful and dangerous because they fail to abide by the nonviolent heart of most major religions.

History also teaches that when women (and men in 25% of cases) were burned as witches it rejected Christian tradition. As early as the 5th Century it was clearly held by a Christian Synod that anyone accusing a person of being a witch is rejected by the Church until they recant. Participating Christian countries thus acted contrary to the faith until the issue was raised at an Inquisition and the governing body considered it a hoax and ordered people not to discuss witches. Friedrich Spee von Langenfield, a Jesuit priest, who wrote that the accused confessed only because they were the victims of sadistic tortures was instrumental in ending a later resurgence due to a King refusing to abide by the Church’s ruling.

”… you choose to be on the side that is against Gods love of all human beings”

Don’t you reckon vilifying Christians and stirring up hatred with your four year old story would have this effect?

mj of course feel free to participate any time :)

Athair.. I must confess I'm a bit confused about your posts...

I have a feeling you might not have quite understood my points.

Do you think I view the pope as holding Christians up to ridicule ?
Not at all mate..

This morning I heard the (VERY SMART) Pope doing his 'reception and explanation' to Muslim envoys.. aaah.. it was beautiful :) he is much wiser and sharper than I had previously thought.

HIS WORDS.

"I hold in high respect and esteem Muslim believers"

Now... put our thinking caps on :) "Muslim Believers" is as far away from "The Islamic faith" as the east is from the west in this context.

He is not in any way altering or apoligizing for the idea that "The Islamic Faith is violent" a point proven in abundance from the Cartoon controversy and the reaction to his misconstrued discontexted quote of the 14c Emperorer.

He should have added for good effect, that statements in the Quran as follows are most regrettable and should be APOLOGIZED for by Muslim Leaders as they are intolerable and insulting in the extreme.

Sura 5:51 referring to Christians by name "Verily Allah does not guide a people unjust" (Yusuf Ali translation)

or..

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YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Notice that.. "ALLAH'S CURSE BE ON THEM".....

Yep..thats it.. CURSED are we Christians... CURSED !......
Not to mention 'deluded' and 'away from truth'.

I call that something insulting and worthy of apology :)

This verse forms the basis of a complaint I am in due course lodging with the Equal Opportunity Commission under the RRT2001. "RELIIGIOUS VILIFICATION"