Listening to Kevin Rudds speech today, I almost chocked on my coffee when he described Penny Wong, as "every party needs a Dr No", as someone needs to say at times, "great idea minister, but we just can't afford it".

So I ask, where has Dr No been in the past six odd years, as this on again, off again government has gone from monumental stuff up to stuff up and literally wasted the best part of $400 BILLION.

Even as we speak, we have unfunded policies, so where has Dr No been?

I would be very surprised if this statement does not get taken up by the media, as it literally contradicts much of what labor have done ever since P Wong has been the parties Dr No.

Or, perhaps she is now, the REAL Penny Wong.

Penny, although she looks the part no Dr No!

If she was the real Dr No, with a genuine interest in implementing policies that are affordable and achievable and in doing the right thing for our national future, she’d tell resurrected Kev that…

no you can’t let the boats keep coming, you’ve got to stop them, decisively,

no you can’t keep immigration as high as it is now, you got to considerably lower it, and head towards net zero immigration,

no your desire for a big Australia is wrong and you should listen to Julia and make your goal a sustainable Australia.

But alas, in reality Penny will just be another of Kev’s yes men (and women), who will support him in taking our country ever further away from a sustainable future. ( :>(

And the first line should read:

Penny, although she looks the part is no Dr No!

aaaarrgh!!

Are you sure it's not (South Pacific) Peso Wong ?

She is just the "wrong" Wong for the "Swang Song"

These sorts of discussion often ignore economic facts.

The Commonwealth Government is sovereign in that it is the provider of all currency spendable within this country. As the economy expands, the necessary currency for the operation of the expanded economy can only be introduced by either the government itself buying things it needs on our behalf or by issuing the currency to other people who will spend what they are given.

Gradually all new funds created end up as savings and if the sovereign government runs a surplus the financial assets of the private sector will be reduced by exactly the amount of the surplus (as the private sector reduces its saving to pay tax) if the foreign (current) account is balanced. It is as simple as double entry accounting.

The government does not need to raise money through taxation before it spends it. While there are underutilise people and productive facilities available the government has an obligation to put those underutilised items to work to produce facilities and services our community needs.

Over the business cycle the deficit can grow at least as much, percentage wise, as the economy itself grows.

This is the 'Real' Penny Wong,

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3608049.htm

She could talk the leg off a cast-iron pot and probably has done so.

For all of her spin, and her spin never stops, Ms Wong is still a lightweight career politician with a law degree who has come straight from student politics, with a brief time as an industrial lawyer. She has no experience of life. She has never held a real job.

She and the now retired Natasha Stott-Despoja could be book-ends. They both ride the same bandwagon and bounce between the same narrow rails. They went to uni together. Both could talk underwater with a mouth full of marbles.

That is about it really. Imagine an eggshell. Yes Penny is that hollow and devoid of substance. Can talk though. Boy, can she talk. And talk, and talk and talk.... Get another iron pot someone!

onthebeach,

Yep...it's a "good thing" Penny doesn't have the same substance as the people who brought us this:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/03/23/1226026/932862-abbott-new.jpg

I mean, check 'em out - the only substance and talent on show appears to be their ability to scrawl abuse on hastily constructed signs.

It's hard to go past the smug looks on the faces of Bronwyn and Sophie.

"The women of the right" - our alternative government, if you don't mind.

Great stuff!

Poirot,

No problems with that.

The OP was directed at Kevin Rudd's description of Ms Wong, which is where I directed my remarks.

If you want to broaden the net to include others in politics and in government generally who are 'informed by their feminism', and that is about all they bring to the table, fine I would agree with you.

True as well there are far too many career politicians about. Too many climbing into senior roles that their lives and experience haven't prepared them for and too many constantly reducing the debate to idiot level with mantras they have learend off by heart.

None of the parties are immune and it is not reassuring that some may at different times have fewer.

I think Penny Wong is a very brainy and intelligent lady that has been very very good for the Labour Party. She is very calm under pressure and shows her real talent in the Parliamentry floor when she speaks. She speaks just as good as Ms Gillard, and sounds very much calmer too, which is very appealing to most people listening to her. She has a very sharp mind too, and can easily outthink anyone in the Liberal party, particularily Abbott and his cronies (except Ms Julie Bishop who's very clever also) who always spoil for a fight without saying anything about there policies. Wait and see just how Ms Wong goes in the elections she'll be excellent just watch!

Rather than a Dr. No, Penny Wong [or is it Wrong] is more of a Dr. know nothing.

Has she ever got anything right?

Hasbeen do you know this lady, no you don't. She would run rings around you and your blinckered thinking, the way you and a lot of others talk it's just plain being rude in my way of thinking. Why don't you all give this great lady a good chance and stop running her down all the time, she might really surprise you all.

Penny Wong is a very brainy and intelligent lady
misanthrope,
Perhaps but it's competence that's needed. She's missing that also, I always thought Ladies hang out with gentlemen.

Come on misanthrope, she believes that climate change is controlled by CO2, for gods sake. Well either that, or she is a liar, just like her boss was.

No one with half a brain, who has done any deep study of the subject believes the myth any longer, & with her jobs she should have studied the subject. If she wants anyone to think she's smart she will denounce the scam right now. Probably a good long term political move in fact.

She is not a lady. She is a lesbian.
The Bible calls their practice an abomination.
How does Kevin the Christian, bible in hand, reconcile that?

This thread is not about the credibility of Ms Wong, rather, it's about how on earth a political party can have a so called DR NO, yet make monumental stuff up after stuff up, obviously with the approval of this Dr No.

If you didn't hear the comment by Rudd, he said, and I quote, " ...sounds like a great idea minister, but we just can't afford it", and that's why every party needs a Dr No" end quote.

So, right now we have two unfunded policies, Gonski and NDIS.

So, did Dr No say, great idea minister, but we just don't have the money, or, did she say, let's just do it and try to find the money somewhere.

Because after all,surely a so called Dr No would be consulted on all policy funding requests.

Hasbeen - Chris Gaff,

The mind truly boggles.

Astounding ignorance and bigotry respectively.

OLO certainly serves both up in spades these days.

Breathtaking!

How do you know Penny Wong was homosexual? I thought she was a married lady, I don't think that's right you know ? Anyway if she was homosexual it wouldn't matter at all would it really, its not a crime at all is it?

its not a crime at all is it?
misanthrope,
says who ? the lefties ? I must admit though lesbians to seem a fair bit more hygienic than their male counterparts.
That aside, we don't seem to see any proof of competence & common sense from any ALP ministers straight sexual orientation or otherwise & that is what counts..

Poirot for you to use the bigotry to describe anyone else on earth is absolutely ludicrous.

Without doubt you rival Marilyn Sheppard, & make Belly look like a swing voter.

Hasbeen,

"....she believes climate change is controlled by CO2......No one with half a brain, who has done any deep study on the subject believes the myth any longer..."

Well you're right about the half a brain.....

Sorry, Hasbeen, but you're nothing but laughable, attempting to pass yourself off as knowledgeable about science with the sort of dingbat, junk-science, no-science, ignoramus rhetoric above....

I'm a tad embarrassed for you.

Every party needs a mad scientist with metal hands?

Let's hope he finds tarantulas in his bed one day.

I suspect now the whole Gillard era was a con trick.
He always intended to return as leader before the next election.

She agreed to be his scapegoat, as her ego would be written into history as the first female PM.
Now she's served her purpose, off to the desert!

Nobody seems to want to address the subject, that being, how could this party of had a Dr No, and wasted so much and had so many failed policies.

It points to the fact that they are incompitent economic managers, the exact opposite to what they want us to believe, as by implementing their Dr No approach, they would have sent any business broke, because this so called Dr No, obviously didn't know when to actually say "sorry minister, but we just can't afford it.

AND SHE'S STILL THERE!

What about those who STILL support them after a display of incompetence unrivalled in the history of Government. I'm sure if a lemming leader would be like those two the rest would turn away from that cliff but not the ALP supporters, no sire they seem to relish incompetence to the point of eel-destruction. The word morons crops up at every thought.

Poirot
You just saw an incident where a same sex couple (male) abused a small child for gratification. Remember the homosexual/sado frolics of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.Do you really support these sickos? I am sure any Islam law would short shaft them very quickly. Here in this socialistic society we hand out medals.

individual,

"The word moron crops up at every thought."

Now why doesn't that surprise me?

....because the word "moron" crops up in (almost) every post (of yours).

.............

rehctub,

Can you explain why Australia has one of the best performing economies is the world?

P,

"Can you explain why Australia has one of the best performing economies is the world?"

Easy,

11 years of coalition prudent fiscal management.

Why did we have a recession at the end of the Last Labor government?

Because we had a decade of fiscal carelessness.

<Can you explain why Australia has one of the best performing economies is the world?>

Too easy, heaps of mineral.

A drover's dog could have managed the economy.

But the Labor/Greens government has been profligate in spending and wasted $$ on such ill-fated stupidity as insulation in roofs instaed of developing the large infrastructure so needed by Australia.

Penny Wong is a motor mouth generalist graduate whose main credentials for pre-selection and progress in Labor are her membership of a host of victim groups, by birth and choice.

Honestly, if she was for real, wouldn't she be doing some relevant part-time study at the excellent ANU? She can't say yes or no on finance matters because she needs briefing notes to explain the briefing notes that explain the impact of Labor/Green spends.

But no, Penny Wong's forte is the handbag hit squad talking up sexism and misogyny. What's that? Did some meow in parliament? Up steps Penny with her righteous feminist fury and thunder.

C'mon Penny, throw us another profile and waffle around the subject again. Are the briefing notes on 'finance' dumbed down enough and can you just wing it by appearing indignant and outraged by the males opposite?

This is the 'Real' Penny Wong. She doesn't offer more and she will not change,

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3608049.htm

otb,

"A drover's dog could have managed the economy."

Yes....and the GFC never happened.

And if it did, Australia could have managed it by sitting back and selling off the silver like Howard did.

Okay.....

Penny Wong gives generalist graduates a bad name. A question is a button pressed to spill a tumbling forth of a garbage pile of meaningless mantras and ad hominems from the silo of feminist Leftie rhetoric.

It doesn't matter what the question is aimed at, the same buckloads of overused, meaningless political-speak spills forth.

It is futile asking Penny Wong about anything to do with numbers. She is a complete fraud, answering direct questions on the budget with several hundred words a time and all of the same old, same old political speak. Always including a statement that she agrees with whatevet the PM has said, whatever that was (like Bill Shorten). But definitely no numbers, for alas, numbers are beyond her.

Her luckless flunkeys must complete her travel chits for her.

Rehctub
...Can you explain why Australia has one of the best performing economies is the world?

Simple, the rest are just so bad.

As I have said fiten, you don't have to be a champion to win a race, you simply have to be better than the rest, and that's obviously the case here.

I say obviously, because we came from $20 B in the bank, to owing the best part of $400 in less than six years.

Now if we are in great shape now, how were we prior to Kevin 07?

Of cause the excuse is always the GFC, and sure, that did have an impact, but didn't cause the waste, which is the lime sharem of the $400 billion spent, on failure after failure, all of which must have been approved by the Dr No of the day.

This is the part that puzzles me about the Dr No.

<This is the part that puzzles me about the Dr No>

Kevin Rudd's 'Dr No'
Likely, it was an unthinking give-away, a slip, a put-down, that betrays his underlying negative attitude to Wong. You don't apply a silly title to a firend or a valued colleague. Kevin Rudd was cynically and humorously putting the 'girl' in her place. The humour of the senior public bureaucrat.

As someone with an appreciation of the culture of Chinese nobility, Kevin would have a very long view of time and a memory that extends some decades past any opponent's grave. Regardless of her recent disloyalty to whatshername the redhead, Wong has crossed Rudd before he believes.

Numbers are not Penny Wong's strength. She is out of place, a square peg in a round hole. Kevin Rudd knows that.

Now why doesn't that surprise me?
Poirot,
How else would you describe mindless followers ?