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The video by Army Chief David Morrison was the first time the ADF has gone all out to address this behaviour.

Even if the diehards cannot see that this is blatantly sexist behaviour, if nothing else it is an invasion of privacy. The act of sex is between individuals and the filming without knowledge or intention to post is a gross betrayal of trust.

Do people really believe these are the type of men we need in the army. What happened to honour and bravery? These acts are nothing but cowardly acts to muster favour with the peer group. It is the worst type of groupthink. Looking after your mates (men and women) and the idea that 'we've got your back' is a joke given the lack of respect towards others.

A male friend who left the ADF a few years ago said this has been going on for years. Men and women who raised these concerns years back were ostracised and had to fight to stay in the ADF. Some naturally chose to leave.

It is about time this juvenile and dishonourable behaviour was stopped. It has nothing to do with who sleeps with whom but about standards of behaviour. Sex is not the problem, the attitudes that go with and the lack of maturity seem to be an issue.

One has to ask questions about the recruitment process. Is it anyone with a pulse will do?
Posted by pelican, Monday, 17 June 2013 11:19:19 AM
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'Do people really believe these are the type of men we need in the army'

well Pelican its amazing how some now think that private lives affect public performance. I would suggest compared with some of the grubs in Parliament these guys would stack up quite well.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 June 2013 11:34:10 AM
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runner
The behaviour of politicians has sunk to new lows but I have to disagree on the comparison. This has been going on for a long time in the ADF and I have heard horrible stories from family members and friends that outweigh that goin on in the political landscape.

In this context private behaviour does reflect on character and in the ADF, character and reliability is everything. It is more than just a minor mistake or natural human flaws of which we are all guilty. These are extreme behaviours not misdemeanours
Posted by pelican, Monday, 17 June 2013 11:51:20 AM
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pelican

First let me say that the behaviour is disgusting. The point I was making is that in my opinion it is no worse than the culture in much of the wider community. With everyone connected on the cyber world iniquity is promoted and embraced by and large by the culture. Why should we be surprised that men or woman for that matter post their sexual conquering exploits for all to see. Porn has convinced many that they are simply sex objects anyway. Why do you think so many teenagers top themselves these days?

Ones personal view and philosophy works out in the public realm. Our current PM is testiment to that fact.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 June 2013 12:10:29 PM
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There's something really worrying me about our Armed Forces, and I'm not entirely sure how to put it into words ?

There appears to be a close parallel to what seemed to have occurred with the Victoria Police Force, under the aegis of their then, female Police Commissioner ? Seemingly, it went through a destabilising even a disruptive period of 'Feminization', during her administration ? Consequently the force lost a lot of their very necessary 'Whack' as a result of her misguided policies ?

Therefore, I'm now wondering if, under the pretence of 'equal opportunity' we're now seeing the overall 'Feminization' of our proud Armed Forces ? In my humble opinion, the future consequences of this policy, particularly in say, an Infantry Bn. would prove calamitous !

To all our beloved female contributors, I mean no offence whatsoever to our fairer sex herein. I'm only speaking in practical terms.
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 17 June 2013 2:39:34 PM
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o sung wu,

Perhaps "Androgynization" would be a better word.

The problem is that we're not androgynous - and it seems it's having the effect of blokes attempting to boost their macho morale by posting their "conquests" online.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 17 June 2013 2:54:33 PM
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