Techasist, there is often a discrepancy between what appears to be the lawful position and what is generally accepted behaviour. This one of my great frustrations in life – that understanding the intent of the law or your code of conduct is not good enough, because accepted practice is often quite different.

I see this with road rules; speed limits and the like, all the time. And I experienced it with the code of conduct in my workplace, which caused me much stress over a period of several years.

I presume that the same situation exists in the ADF, where everyone understands on the technically lawful level that emails and the like should only be used for work purposes, but that on the everyday practical level, it is quite different, and it is alright to use these means of communication for completely non-work matters, up to a point. When one witnesses colleagues, and especially higher-ranking colleagues, doing this, then one feels comfortable doing it themselves… and indeed may feel somewhat left out, sidelined or ostracised if they don’t.

So it comes down to those in charge of overseeing the culture.

It is these people who are denouncing all those involved in the culture that they have allowed to exist and flourish. It is them who need the kick up the bum, not the ordinary participants.

Lieutenant General David Morrison acknowledges that cultural change is need. But I think that he is quite wrong and strongly divisive in telling all those who are involved in this matter, or who think in the same way, to get out of the ADF!

Well my chance to say, "I told you so". For gods sake, what the hell did you expect when you added horny young girls & boys together & stirred the mix.

The defense force has always been full of frustrated blokes, with restricted access to the opposite sex, & now you mix them, & did not expect trouble.

Luddy the cultural change we've had was a big mistake, & the defense force is much weaker for it. Any cultural change to make it a nice place for ladies will just make it weaker.

We have just retired a couple of large ships, not because they were shot, but because 4 of the 6 blokes who could run the damn things got out of the navy. Why? Because of some of the "ladies' coming out of the collage.

My son had trouble with lady stokers, who are not allowed to lift enough weight to be able to do their job. The men who have to pick up the slack get sick of it.

One army bloke I know has just joined the SAS, because the girls can't take the physical. He reckoned his choice was leave or SAS, as he could not stand the feminisation of the army. After a couple of stints in Afghanistan these blokes don't take fools gladly, or well. They have enough problem breaking in young male officers fresh out of the college, the girls stand on their rank & dignity, & are not only unbearable, but untrainable too.

Wake up to your selves folks! Do you want to be defended, or do you want another nice career path for girls? It is becoming increasingly obvious that you can't have both, oh, & don't forget, we told you so.

Hey, hey, Hasbeen

Yup...we should have seen it coming.

When horny blokes are confronted by horny girls and they get it together....apparently it's entirely natural for the blokes to be overcome by an irresistible desire to post film of it on the internet.

Geez Hasbeen old boy, drag yourself out of the 19th century!
You surely aren't suggesting that the military men have been led astray by nasty women only after women were allowed to join the forces?

I think there has been military men behaving badly since the dawn of time actually.
These guys posting videos and emails of sexual activity weren't in a war zone, and thus had access to as many women as they liked in the wider community.
So having women in the forces wouldn't really be the issue in this case.

It isn't a matter of the military women needing to 'toughen up' at all.
Imagine the outcry if a bunch of military women took videos of fellow military men having sex with them, aiming the camera on their crutch area, then posting email pictures and comments denigrating the guy's lack of size or sexual abilities?

woman choosing to sleep around certainly contribute to the problem. A little morals taught by parents would go a long way. Then again they might see a need to set an example. The reality is that no matter how many dogmas feminist hold to, men and women lose respect by failing to learn a little self control. All gratification and no responsibility.

Hasbeen , bloke surely you are aware how wrong that is?
Some of the assaults, not that it should matter, investigated are male on male.