Bringing Rudd back would be as disastrous as bringing Ponting back for the Ashes.

Sometimes a team just has to take the thrashing, and use it for experience. The ALP should have started thinking about the next term in opposition. Bringing in Rudd now serves no useful purpose long term.

Then again long term thinking is illegal in politics.

"I personally vote for the shrew to stay on" SM If the Labor Mafia were to take a vote, will you be the ferret in the corner holding up your paw in support of Gillard?
I personally can't wait for September 14th when the Mad Monk and his band of Oompa Loompas start running the chocolate factory, its going to be very interesting. When the moaning and groaning starts, to paraphrase Mr Clocks, "it the government we had to have".
SM a question for you, what position do you see for Archy Pell in an Abbott led government? Mystical adviser.

To answer the question should Julia resign the question I ask is why is she so unpopular.

The first and most obvious reason is, she is seen as having stabbed Rudd in the back, in a way that most Aussies perceive as not fair play.

The second reason I believe, is she has produced results seriously lacking any substance, for example the mining super tax, which so far has raised minimal tax. The question of boat refuges is another example where she has taken a tough stand which has turned out not to achieve the stated aim.

To cap it all off she manages to rub a lot of people up the wrong way. I meet many people who tend to support labour, and they simply can´t stand her.

It is very obvious that under Julia the labour party is heading for a train wreck. It is also unlikely that Rudd can win the next election but at this stage it is virtually certain that under his leadership they would retain many more seats.

I doubt the labour party has the courage to dump Julia, it would mean accepting that they had made a very serious error of judgement. The labour parties best chance, would be for Julia to resign and also give up her seat. In view of labour chances of winning the next election under Julia being close to zero, it would be the best way for her future reputation.

Paul,

As I am not sufficiently corrupt to be associated with the Labor caucus, I won't be getting a vote.

I also can't wait for September when Australia votes to restore government to the sensible status it had prior to 2007. Hopefully the fruitcakes and whack jobs in the greens (the only party worse than the ALP) lose most of their senate seats and their only lower house seat.

What position do you see for ET in the greens? Now that Brown eyed Bob has left, will he continue as moral advisor to Milne?

The best solution for the Labour Party would be for Gillard not to
stand for re election.
I cannot see that happening, but it would be the best all round way out
of the whole mess. Rudd should also not stand and that would give the
party a clear field with all the baggage of the past six years wiped out.

The only reason that there is a move to get Rudd back in is to try and
save the seats of some of the Labour ministers by attracting just a few more votes.

Pelican I no longer move in such circles.
But as I always have and will, live with the type who once voted for us.
It is true, within the party, and its owners/boss the Unions, hate Rudd.
His intentions to give the party back to the people seem to drive that hate.
A smugness those owners live with, thinking the ALP is their toy, is not representative of what the voters want.
Gillard will survive, because those smug mugs want her to.
She will sink and hopefully so to will the smug tug boats keeping her tormenting my partys rank and file, and ruining its last chance.

Post Gillards sinking we will remember those who knew saying sorry would improve our vote and show they have been wrong from the start.
Our best hope is they too sink.