'clubs they want including Emily's List or the Men's sheds '

please Pelican to lump the 2 in one is farcical.One are men haters the other just lonely men getting together for friendship.

*Shadow Minister*

My thanks for your applaud to which I take a bow for the audience. <Clap, Clap, Clap>

Regrettably though, it appears that if nothing else, the huge medical, moral and financial cost of turning children into disability pensioners continues to weigh insufficiently in "your" reckoning and in my view, you are unfit to lead and unfit to apply character tests to others as child abusers are amongst the lowest of the low.

*Lexi*

Your well documented record as an apologist for child abusers is noted, as is the nauseous delight that some people take in duplicitous, unprincipled polite speech, especially when it is used as a veil to cover up for crimes like those committed against children.

*Rehctub & Phillip S*

By all means, bring on your arguments though I suspect you do not yet fully comprehend my grievance. There is much that can be said but this - as the majority of Australians appear not to wish to receive legitimate Asylum Seekers then by all means, as I have said many times, simply withdraw from the convention. Then truly, there is no product to sell.

But do not p_ss on the international conventions at whim because if and when you do, other states in the world will insist on their right to do exactly the same as it suits their whim. You must recognise that the internationals will not stand for double standards.

Thereafter, the nature of the Indonesian system is such that even a "saint" would find it difficult to get people out of the cockroach hotel without paying some people along the way. And no doubt it is not an activity that does not bring with it significant risks, like being blown out of the water by the Indonesian navy.

The obligation of any Asylum Seeker is to safeguard lives and reach safe haven, not to attend the tin pot Australian Embassy in Jakarta and ask for a one way ticket to the cockroach hotel with the very real potential of life time membership.

However, no doubt there is a profiteering aspect to it (and organisations like the mafia and others have historically long played this role) but that in and of itself does not make them people smugglers, but rather it appears that some politicians simply do not accept the basic tenets of what seeking Asylum is all about.

And yes, I too am adamantly opposed to the absurd amounts of money being spent on this issue but again, the appropriate course of action is to simply withdraw from the convention entirely and lock people up without barbed wire in the desert around a billabong where none but a traditional BlakFella, Bedouin or camel would have any likelihood of escaping from alive and do food drops as part of ongoing military training of what would otherwise be wasted food and medication. Even with the inclusion of the flying doctor, it could all be easily done at a bare fraction of what these spendthrift fools are currently blowing.

*Pelican*

Perhaps if Abbott's cat calling were made public it would be all too clear as to why he has been labelled a misogynist.

re: the disability scheme, if it is true as one premiere mentioned that 2/3's of the budget is being spent on pencil fiddlers, then I am opposed, and I have a strong interest in supporting one D.S.P.'er, Mrs X, who has need of a bit of support from time to time. The last thing these people need is a big budget being blown on paperwork.

Hasbeen
You did not argue many of my main points.

The Big New Tax was a lie was conceived by Abbott. Gillard only moved to a fixed price carbon price as an introductory phase towards having a carbon credits training scheme something which was a Labor Party policy signed up to by Malcolm Turnbull. Abbott then saw a chance to grab power in cahoots with the extreme right of the Liberal Party. There are few considerate and competent "wets" left in the Coalition.

I am rather certain that we will be in for a very rough ride if the Coalition wins power.

I at least have a good grasp of macroeconomics having written to Costello on the subject six months before Ian Macfarlane started to complain than regulation of banks and financial gamblers was far too slack. It was that slackness, particularly in the USA and London that caused the GFC. The Obama administration has rescued the criminals rather than their victims. The Labor Government rescued the Australian banks and the population.

Too many people who do not know enough to know better are deceived by the far right to vote against their own best interests, a comment made years ago by a competent UK politician Denis Healey, I think.

Corrections to comment posted a few minutes ago.
Hasbeen
You did not argue many of my main points.

The Big New Tax was a lie conceived by Abbott. Gillard only moved to a fixed carbon price scheme as an introductory phase towards having a carbon credits trading scheme something which was a Labor Party policy signed up to by Malcolm Turnbull. That change hardly amounted to an untruth. It was a negotiated settlement made necessary by the hung parliament. Abbott then saw a chance to grab power in cahoots with the extreme right of the Liberal Party. There are few considerate and competent "wets" left in the Coalition.

I am rather certain that we will be in for a very rough ride if the Coalition wins power.

I at least have a good grasp of macroeconomics having written to Costello on the subject six months before Ian Macfarlane started to complain than regulation of banks and financial gamblers was far too slack. It was that slackness, particularly in the USA and London that caused the GFC. The Obama administration has rescued the criminals rather than their victims. The Labor Government rescued the Australian banks and the population.

Too many people who do not know enough to know better are deceived by the far right to vote against their own best interests, a comment made years ago by a competent UK politician Denis Healey, I think.
Posted by Foyle, Thursday, 6 June 2013 1:38:29 PM

Dear Dream On,

Could you please explain your reference to me
and "child abusers," in your earlier post.

Thank you.