I can’t understand how officers of the NSW police force have not been suspended from duty after being adversely named in Coronial and Ombudsman reports, and now recommended for criminal charges by the Police Integrity Commission, in regards to the death of Roberto Curti.
Suspending officers from general duties in a situation like this is not pr-judging their guilt or innocence, but is a reasonable protective measure to ensure that public confidence in police is maintained. Like all citizens police should have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
If allegations of this seriousness had been made against a doctor, a nurse or a teacher then it is almost certain that conditions would be placed on their employment to protect the public pending the outcome of any criminal proceedings, it should be no different for police. These police were given full procedural fairness in the Coroner’s Court who made a series of damning findings about their conduct on the night and perjury in the Court. To maintain public confidence in police their suspension from front line policing pending criminal proceedings is essential. In no way could such action be seen as a denial of due process, but rather a reasonable response to the potential risks of the situation. What is needed is an independent and properly resourced police oversight body that has the power to make binding recommendations. Until then public confidence in police will be tested.

It will be interesting to hear comments on this issue from the regulars with policing experience. I have quite a bit of knowledge of the dastardly doings of the Queensland tribe and thats not a pretty story at all. Only a very small percentage of misdeeds ever gets to be published, no doubt because there would undoubtedly be a public outcry if the real extent of the corruption was known. Its been suggested that Queensland is a special situation & other states are relatively 'clean', no doubt o sung wu can throw some light on the mexican situation.

o sung wo and others have not hidden a view things are not always right within the police force.
and not in any group or firm outside policing.
We tend not to look at those failures as much as we do the police matters.
I have, due to undue influence of a tow truck operator, and the police he employed, to salvage the loads of roll over trucks.
Been placed at my work place gate, in the back of a paddy wagon, and driven at speed, over a rough road.
To be both intimidated, and warned, not to get in the way, of the*joke* police had going with that bent user of the police he seemed to own, for a while..
Now Paul I am *CONVINCED* not one from that station I was taken to, or those that took me, new how foul the scam/theft was.
ICAC did, most but not all, in that scam are no longer police force members, not at my hands, but after fellow officers acted.
No one, then or now, stopped the wrongs being/still happening, selling government contracts brings public servants from my then workplace.
Any job/group has a culture, it is extremely hard to penetrate that culture.
A good Cop is worth far more than we pay them, a bad one is worse than nothing.
A PS my trip ended as those who know me would expect, I gave that Sergent a lecture not he me, and after the balloon went up he tried to become my mate, one of his underlings will be so forever.

Its a probably natural that members of any comparable organization would form a brotherhood, after all motorbike club members do and there isn't a massive difference between them and the various police forces .... when its all said and done, both are control freaks on power trips. The Gold Coast mob have been heard boasting they are the biggest 'club' in Queensland, mind you the still rampant corruption means the average person has less to fear from the Hells Angels than they do from the blue-uniformed fraternity. Before the do-gooders climb up on their soapboxes, when was the last time anyone saw the Hells Angels manning a roadside cash-register ?? Whilst a brotherhood is positive in terms of support, it also has very definite negative connatations in the tendency to cover up misdeeds. A particularly nasty extension of this which is all too prevalent in Queensland is intimidation & victimization of whistle-blowers. (yes Martha, I do know what I'm talking about however for obvious reasons I'm not about to supply any identifying information)

Hi there PRAXIDICE & my old mate BELLY...

These NSW coppers are a bad lot. We should lock em all up and turn the policing of the State, over to the only completely HONEST group in NSW the,.........the ah.......?

Paul I agree with all you have said. I was more comfortable with the professionalism of the pre royal Commission NSW force. Sure the armed holdup squad set up jobs for the crims, but nobody was murdered for stealing two packets of Iced Vo Vo’s.

About ten years ago a local Bondi resident had a psychotic episode and took a kitchen knife to Bondi beach. The cops talked to him for forty minutes, then he came too close and they shot him….I can understand that, the officer has a family at home, but these hyped up punks in uniform should be relieved of their duties given it is a coroners case.

We all consider that cops have a moral obligation along with their statutory ones; we consider that a cop is a good person, but the truth is that cops are just mercenaries, no offense OSW. I make this claim based on the fact that during WWII all the police forces in Europe helped the NAZI’s round up Jews. I believe the only exception was the Danes.

o sung wu - We should lock em all up and turn the policing of the State, over to the only completely HONEST group in NSW the,.........the ah.......?

:) :) :)

To some extent, police are victims of the broken political system, however one has to wonder why honest cops and / or their union don't make as much as a peep about establishment of a truly independent review entity, also removing traffic services from 'proper' policing. As I've said previously, I don't know a lot about policing in the mexican states but corruption is, and has always been rampant in Queensland. Furthermore we have a very 'interesting' ethical services command, the previous boss of which is enjoying some free accommodation as a consequence of importing military style weapons for sale to certain hard gentlemen. The police union is also 'interesting' having a certifiable lunatic at the helm. If those aren't sufficient reason for cynicism, the present police minister made multiple demands for a royal commission while in opposition, but funnily enough he refuses to acknowledge this now he's in the hot seat.

Its obvious that police will always be targets for criticism, whether justified or otherwise, nevertheless the public have every right to expect an absolutely squeaky clean police service in which any & all questions re propriety are addressed openly / transparently / honestly by a truly independent organization immune from undue influence. No amount of verbiage can ever justify police investigating police. Justice must not only be done, but far more importantly, it must be **SEEN** to be done. In theory at least, the CMC & equivalents (ICAC ??) perform this role, however in typical political fashion, interference is a fact of life. As always, Queensland leads the way in terms of how **NOT** to run a review organization. One area in which Queensland has adopted the national standard is in the use of 'independent'. Instead of the dictionary meaning, the common political usage is stacking the entity in question with compliant drones willing to do whatever is in the best interests of those who appointed them.

Paul
Your argument is sound and there would be no other acceptable course of action in the circumstances. Once all facts and evidence are in these officers can be reinstated or face whatever charges may apply

To some extent, police are victims of the broken political system, however one has to wonder why honest cops and / or their union don't make as much as a peep about establishment of a truly independent review entity,
praxidice,
My sentiments also, I often get dismayed to see decent Officers toeing the line when some incompetent Magistrate issues orders. It somehow makes an obliging officer just as guilty. How many times have officers told me how dismayed they were at some idiotic ruling by a magistrate yet these same officers continue to toe the line. If I were a Police Officer & I knew full well that the craphead I just caught has been getting away with his offences & is laughing at the Law I represent I'd actually let some other louts have a go at them. I'd simply tell the magistrate I didn't see anything. It would make me feel far more morally right then handing them over to some idiot Magistrate only to let them taunt me again. Our Judiciary is criminally incompetent. How can we judge them ? Demand a referendum on Law & Order.

individual

The only remotely do-able solution for most of the inadequacies of gubmunts that doesn't involve a total re-write of the constitution is enshrinement of Citizen Initiated Referenda. The judiciary is the province of utterly arrogant control freaks whose legislated 'independence' makes them untouchable little tin gods. Note that the only Australian politician in living memory who has proposed CIR has been targeted with all manner of probably spurious accusations when to my way of thinking he should be knighted. That aside, issues like police investigating police, stacked ethical standards units, political use of police for revenue-raising, well-corrobated evidence of police bashings (Surfers Paradise & Fortitude Valley being two that recur regularly), harrassment of whistle-blowers, duplicitous police ministers etc etc are absolutely guaranteed to destroy any residual public confidence in police generally.

G'day SONOFGLOIN & PRAXIDICE...

A situation I had years ago. Pulled a bloke, initially for excess speed. 'Blew' him and he was marginally over ? Turned out he was a really nice professional bloke from interstate, driving a NSW Reg. Rent a Car. We danced around his problem a bit, and in a moment of weakness, I did him for the speed offence only. Before cutting him loose, I tried to get his history from VKG, without success. Anyway he was ecstatically happy with the outcome, and I was pretty OK for being a real 'good bloke' by 'looking after' a decent, professional gentleman from interstate.

A couple of days later I had a shift break, in order to attend to the normal paper warfare. Purely for interest, I did a 'history' on this 'nice' fellow. And nearly fell out of my chair ! His traffic sheet should've been bound into a book ! How in hell's name did he manage to remain out of gaol with his appalling driving record, including two previous PCA's ?

Anyway there was nothing I could do about this clown now, as I'd initially cut him loose, and in doing so, technically offended myself.

The public say the police do nothing to curb the road toll ? Alternatively, they also claim all coppers are real uncaring bastards. None of them use their their common sense, and show some compassion ? A brief example. They (police) screen someone who's over, that individual automatically loses his licence, for a set period, and in some case his job. I recognise it's a very tough, even sad set of circumstances. Who do the public blame...the Police.

Another fatality on the road. Again, it's the police who are blamed for failing to do their jobs. The individual rarely sees fit to blame themselves ?

The critics of police ne'er seem to have the answer, do they ?

Who on earth would ever wish to pursue a career in the policing industry ?

o sung wu - Who on earth would ever wish to pursue a career in the policing industry ?

At the risk of being castigated for cynicism, I'll nominate ex schoolyard bullies who can't think of any other job in which they can continue to throw their weight around with relative impunity, then there are control freaks who don't suit another trade or profession, and rabid feminists compelled by a need to express their hatred of men. A few are decent individuals who just wanted a halfway regular job & policing was available. I even thought about it briefly albeit only in respect of a very specialized position. Mind you I dunno that any of the aforementioned fits me, I only had one punch-up at school, won that conclusively but was never into violence, I am anything but a control freak, I could **NEVER** work with a feminist, and I really never wanted a 'steady' job (almost exclusively self-employed). All that aside, every cop I've known reasonably well fits perfectly into one of the categories I listed. Schoolyard bullies are very very common, likewise control freaks. Thankfully I don't know many feminists but the few I do are without exception impossibly evil bitches, any of whom would make lucrezia borgia look like a saint. Around half are actually decent people, but then they are almost all all ex-cops who left because they couldn't abide the corruption in the Queensland operation.

I think it's way past high time that the Police Union jumps up & down to make the idiot magistrates & Law-Policy makers listen. The Unions should for once do what they're supposed to do & that is to stand up for their members & their members should in turn jump up & down to effect a referendum on punishment for crime. The same goes for discipline in schools. There's such an enormous lack of discipline out the but no-one thinks it within their responsibilities to act.
I for one am working on having a change on things starting with the replacement of top bureaucrats at elections. I hope some of you will do similar. Remeber bad things happen when good people do nothing & that means most of us.

individual

In Queensland the police union is one of the major problems. That knuckle-dragging neanderthal thug el president' typifies whats wrong with the QLD police service generally. We desperately need any halfway decent serving cops to demand union management presents a professional image instead of the present stone-age attitude that is all too regularly demonstrated in the bashings common to Fortitude Valley & Surfers Paradise.

I wish the sanctimonious justice league commentators that tut tut from the comfort of their armchairs, face a drug fuelled violent psychotic who beats the daylights out of them while the police, now too intimidated to use force, stand by.

With 20/20 hindsight is very easy to determine exactly the right level of force necessary to subdue a violent (reportedly armed) person, but at the time, insufficient force could very well lead to the death of a policeman or bystander. Considering that there has not been any connection made between the death of the psychotic and the force used, ruining these people careers is not warranted.

Shadow Minister

Not one of the multiple instances of police brutality recorded on video in Fortitude Valley and Surfers Paradise involves as much as a hint of drug use. The typical victim is a middle-class adult male with absolutely no illegal substance history whatever, even police reports tendered to the CMC fail to mention drugs as a factor. Surely one would expect that argument to be used if there was a chance of justifying bashings ??

Anyone who uses the 'what about the times when you ask police for assistance' story has quite obviously never been in that situation. For what its worth, the response is invariably 'we are too busy'. Mind you the carpark at the nearest Maccas is full, the flash for cash cameras never want for operators and the patrol cars with flashing lights at roadworks never fail to have a cop inside watching porn. Guess those ore higher priority than citizen support though.

What you blokes are saying only cements my argument for changing the top at election. We need to push for a referendum on achieving this change if we want proper justice. Yes, even the top judges & Magistrates need to move over.
I believe if all victims of crime could somehow get together we'd have a pretty good chance of making this dreadful situation better for all.
Anyone who can not proof having been a victim has to butt out from the start & if they don't they should be charged with perverting the course of Justice.

Tyler Cassidy's mother goes to UN to call for independent body to investigate police shootings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/mother-of-melbourne-teenager-shot-by-police-takes-case-to-unite/4721952

There's also been a long held suspicion that Tyler and his young friends had been flagged by Police intelligence as dangerous "Neo Nazi" political extremists due to the interference of so called "Anti Racist" activists and journalists. The information I received at the time of the shooting strongly supported the theory that "Anti Racists" had set up a fake extremist group called "Southern Cross Soldiers" lured young people in to entrap them and then reported their names to the security services.

Tyler Cassidy, 15, was killed when he threatened police with knives
Jay of melbourne,
I would have shot him too.

Jay - There's also been a long held suspicion that Tyler and his young friends had been flagged by Police intelligence as dangerous "Neo Nazi" political extremists due to the interference of so called "Anti Racist" activists and journalists.

Other than the stories I hear from family in Victoria about the nanny state mentality prevalent there, I've had no reason to take an interest in policing. Judging from your story however, it appears all is not well. One has to wonder whether there is anything of a connection between the rampant corruption thats always existed in Queensland and the stories coming from both NSW and Victoria. In any case, the people have every right to totally impeccable police services, and there are clearly grounds to suspect the present ones are far from what they should be. I've encountered too many ex-cops who tell me they could no longer work with the issues they believed too entrenched to resolve. All of these folk had substantial experience in other fields previous to donning a blue uniform, all had rank of sergeant or above, and all claim their life would be at risk if they spoke about what they know. Not good.

P,

You should acquaint yourself with the case involving Roberto Curti to which the thread refers, then you could see how irrelevant your post was.

The only way we will get justice in Oz is to elect our judges, at the same time as federal elections. Other wise we have a system totally controlled by lawyers, who have no interest at all in dispensing justice. They are more interested in points of law, & using them to pervert the course of justice.

At the same time any one who has ever represented an accused in a criminal trial should be ineligible to become a judge. Most judges, after earning their high income from working for criminals are hardly likely to be anything sympathetic to them as a judge.

The cops do a much better job than the judges in my opinion.

That's an excellent point by Hasbeen to make defence lawyers ineligible to become Magistrates or Judges or indeed participate in policy making.
You hear that Clive ?

Dunno about Clive, but personally I wouldn't allow lawyers within cooee of ANY parliament house. The last time I checked there were none in the candidates he'd signed up.

As for the subject at hand, the law society is a law unto itself. There was supposedly a law or whatever (no doubt conceived by the law society) that enshrined judicial independence or somesuch crap. Would that possibly form an obstacle to sorting out the present debacle ?? When attempting to do anything involving the masters of distorting words, its guaranteed that all stops will be pulled out to safeguard their positions. Obviously by banning lawyers from politics, we'd be on the path at least to resolving centuries of systematic corruption, but that doesn't help fix the judicial abortion in the short term. Dunno, good idea but like all things worth doing it won't be easy.

Good afternoon to you INDIVIDUAL...

Much of what you say is true, particularly with those in the judiciary. Often it's a case of the politicians making the bullets, and leaving it o police to fire 'em. Unfortunately some of those herein don't recognise this fact ?

Another thing too INDIVIDUAL, you should use caution whenever defending the police ? Otherwise the politically correct, enlightened academics and other 'experts' who've never worn 'blue', will severely castigate you for your obvious lack of intuition and perspicacity ?

Sorry there INDIVIDUAL, I'm being a bit disingenuous with my earlier remarks, it's just that one does get a little tired with people continually bleating on about, '...I know this ex copper...' or '...I met this bloke at the pub who's in the police and he told me...' ?

My theory is quite simple. Unless or until you done, at the very least, ten or twelve years in the job, you have very little knowledge how the job REALLY works. The job does have 'sinners', as it does 'saints' ? And there also exists, some corruption, and some 'squeaky clean', almost sterile components to it too ? The real truth of the matter; the NSW police force in the main, is pretty straight, as evidenced by the many enquiries and reviews undertaken.

On that specific issue, I'm so very pleased to note the death of one 'chook' Fowler, former boss of the 'jacks' at Kings X. An individual who brought much shame on all the decent detectives who tried to do their very best ! Rot in hell 'chook' maggot of maggots !

For anyone to make these sweeping statements one way or the other, proves to me, he/she knows very little about the job in it's broadest sense.

And PRAXIDICE, your absurd almost inane remark that the job only attracts bullies...? Actually my friend I gave you a little more deference and credit for most of your views and opinions ? Perhaps, now I should consign most of them to the rubbish ?

o sung wo, as usual I admire your contribution, and the stand you take, thinking I know the reasoning behind it.
My tale, here and in other threads, about the ex Navy Sargent of Police is quite true.
While at my very lowest ebb, because of that at the time, seemingly not penetrable wall of Police using the Job, against me.
The still serving then lowly now well past Sargent, held out his hand.
He reminded me,it is the few who blacken the whole.
And that is true of many groups.
Till I die, I will remember a roadside conversation that ended with that now mate, sprinting to his car and going to confront a gunman, unheard of in our area, threatening a workmate.
Show me a better measure of a man afraid but without thinking, racing toward a life threatening event.

P,

" by banning lawyers from politics, we'd be on the path at least to resolving centuries of systematic corruption"

I assume you are talking of Juliar and her involvement in the AWU fraud?

o sung wu

You missed my point completely. Human nature being what it is, people with less than impeccable character are inevitably drawn to positions where they can further develop the unsavoury traits they already have. Police are not alone in that, politicians are a good example as well. Thats not to say that all cops & all politicians are necessarily crook, but the temptation will always be there. What I've always proposed is a truly open and independent review facility for both. No honest cop or honest politician would baulk at a properly constituted entity that guarantees to the public that the confidence they have every right to, is in fact not abused.

There is simply no way it could be argued that police investigating police can ever be anything but a shonk. The well publicized example of the so called Ethical Command chief in Queensland importing military weapons for sale to the mob speaks for itself. Don you seriously expect the public to read that story and still have confidence in the police service ?? Then we have the ongoing bashings in Fortitude Valley & Surfers Paradise .... sounds very much like a few bullies managed to get issued with blue uniforms don't you agree ??

If those weren't damning enough, what about the dozen or so ex-cops in my circle of associates who together served about a hundred years & all of whom got out because they couldn't handle the corruption around them. For what its worth, bullying was only one of the issues in contention. I don't suppose you've ever encountered that clown Leevers .. if you had you couldn't miss the gravel-rashed knuckles.

Far too many cops like to think they are little tin gods beholden to nobody but for the most part they are their own worst enemies. I fully realize politicians use and abuse the various police services, but how often do we hear complaints ?? If the union is too stupid to object to police being used as revenue-raisers then how will that nonsense ever stop ??

G'day there BELLY old mate...

I understand completely what you're saying. And it's very true, a few coppers who do the wrong thing, blacken the reputations of the thousands who try to do their best.

Right up until I retired, discipline was pretty strict. Like water, both accountability and censure flowed 'down' to the lowest rank. Often (very sadly) the first line managers totally abrogated their responsibility altogether and the poor old constables (most unfairly) copped the kick in the arse.

As you know, I was only a detective sergeant, thus I was part of that first line management dynamic myself. And to my everlasting shame BELLY, on several occasions over the final couple of years of my service, others on my squad copped the blame, that was factually and morally meant for my own omissions or failures. Why, because I should have spoken-out for my crew, instead of allowing the blame to settle upon those below. On the occasion of which I speak, two constables did 'the deed', true. But it was me personally, that should've taken the responsibility for their actions.

You can always delegate authority, but you can NEVER delegate responsibility. And that BELLY, was my sin ! I should've gone to bat for them both.

Am I repentant for my silence ? No, worse ! I'm absolutely ashamed. It's described as organisational cowardice. And for my sin, for several months thereafter, I had the 'dog' put on me by the entire squad, sure they do as they're told, but nothing more ! A neutral, rather cool atmosphere, I guess you'd call it, being their Sgt ?

In conclusion, police value dearly the 'squad dynamic'. A good squad always sticks together, works closely and often socialise together. And being a part of the squad is important. To illustrate - A 5 year constable, at a bush station I was relieving at, fell out with his Sgt, over what, I don't know ? He returned home after a 1500/2300 shift, and ate his Mod 10. ?

Shadow Minister - I assume you are talking of Juliar and her involvement in the AWU fraud ?

Thats only one of innumerable reasons. Lawyers spend their career twisting words into unrecognizable distortions, that alone is sufficient to ban them from the political circus. JooLIAR is unquestionably a good example but she's by no means the only 'full of it' politician, Slippery Pete tops my list of legal slimeballs and the RAbbott shares second spot with the red-headed witch. Unfortunately the political circus has become a home for legal leeches over the past 20 or 30 years and apart from possibly Nick Xenephon, I can't think of one deserving the 'honorable' title. Mind you union heavies and failed priests aren't significantly less despicable than the leeches. Several lifetimes back, politicians were mostly business people & whilst they might have tickled the till a bit, it wasn't generally the grand larceny we've come to expect from lawyers, union heavies and failed priests.

o sung wu - police value dearly the 'squad dynamic'. A good squad always sticks together, works closely and often socialise together.

There are two sides to that 'brotherhood', mutual support is certainly a positive aspect, however the tendency to suppress whistleblowing is anything but positive. This may or may not be an issue in the mexican states but it most definitely is in Queensland, as at least a dozen ex-cop associates have confirmed.

P,

While TA is qualified in Law, (and economics) he never worked as a lawyer.

In spite of the non stop campaign against him, he is still more popular than Juliar. Your earlier assertion that only 2% of people will vote for him is delusion, as within the liberal voters he is the most popular. His unpopularity is mostly within the rabid left who wouldn't vote liberal anyway.

Shadow Minister - Your earlier assertion that only 2% of people will vote for him

Huh ??

I think you might be confused with a line about the Woodpecker being preferable at 'only' 99.8% crook & the RAbbott 99.9% crook. Mind those figures were borrowed from someone whose ID I forget although they bear no relationship whatever to how many will vote for one or the other.

The PIC has recommended charges be laid against police for assault, affray and perjury, in relation to the death of Roberto Curti yet not a single officer has been suspended from duty.
The Greens spokesperson on police matters in NSW, David Shoebridge, had this to say;
“The reports as to wrongful use of weapons, assault, affray and perjury go to the very heart of policing in NSW and, if nothing is done, public confidence in the NSW Police will be eroded.
“Both the Police Minister and the Commissioner have a responsibility to ensure the public have confidence that the police they meet in the street are above reproach.
“Police investigating police increasingly undermines the public’s trust in the police.
“The Greens continue to call for an independent investigation to be triggered every time the police are involved in the death or serious injury of a member of the public,”
I could not agree more with David Shoebridge on this. Action is needed now!

Paul1405

You've covered most of the critical items. The public DO have the right to a completely squeaky clean police service, police investigating police just isn't on, and there have been more than sufficient questionable incidents to warrant a truly independent investigation.

P,

I appear to have attributed the 2% comment to the wrong person, However, your lack of comment on the Lawyer issue I take as acceptance of your error.

Shadow Minister

Actually I didn't notice your post re your mate RAbbott, its nit-picking though as he would have all the same connections, knowledge and attitudes as a lawyer who had practiced. There is more than adequate reason why lawyers (and law graduates if you insist are as despised as they are.

Last year 1370 police resigned that in itself is a real criticism as to resign from the police means that the cops won't befreind you and the rest of us won't trust you so it is a sentence of social ostracism.I belive that these cops quit for the reason of honesty they were embarresed by the way cops at crime scenes stole peoples possesions saying its ok the crims will get the blame ,also when many realised that their job was mainly the victimisation of addicts and the homless people manufactured by this society they found that their consience got the better of them .but this disturbing fact of mass resignations is never mentioned in parliment as they are the real people behind crime in our society and this is why theoir laws prohibit addicts from holding public office if they let me be a parlimentarin I would spill my guts on how corrupt this society is and I can prove every word with their facts and figures .I have tried virtually every government and media organization to tell my storyto but no one is prepared for the back lash from pointing our that the biggest industry in the country is illeagal drugs yet no one can find it it must have. A great big distrubution network for drugs of all discription to be availible in even the smalest country towns who else but the cops has offices every were .if s yet one out there wants to tell my story I would be glad to clear up the corruption and exploitation of addicts by people in high places but I will be lucky if this article makes print as they have already cencored my web site http://jaclf.webs.com take a look and see how ruthless these people are against those who tell the truth in a society of liars .regards the motorcyclemessiah and the junkies against crime liberation front

May be we could stress that we need honest people for this job I don't belive that is ever mentioned in their recruitment posters I wrote a couple for them my self which are available at junkiesagainstcrime@picaasa.com but they never got back to me on it .regards the motorcyclemessiah.

PRAXIDICE...

Obviously, you'd possess a distinctly better understanding of the relevance, germane with working collaboratively with a committed group of men and women all operating closely together, than I would ?

Moreover, it's also with some regret that I don't have the benefit of and access to, '...at least a dozen ex cop associates...' from who's (collective) wise counsel, I can depend upon ? Further, unluckily for me, my only empirical exposure to a squad of working detectives, is from my official remit of being I/C of such a group ? Further PRAXIDICE, you seem to bare a grudge against police ? One can only wonder why ?

Well MOTORCYCLEMESSIAH, you say you're 'whistle blower', apropos wholesale corruption, occasioned by both police and others in much 'higher positions' ? Is this correct ? Further, you also allege you've tried to air those allegations, but because of this entrenched corruption, no one is prepared to listen ? Further still, you contend you've evidence in your possession, to prove exactly what you allege ? Again, you contend that nobody will take any notice of you ? You further contend most of your allegations centre around drugs ?

There's an important tenet in our legal system, MCM. Essentially, it amounts to this - he who accuses must prove. Unless you've got pretty strong evidence, it's very hard to provoke an investigation. This is not a police initiative, this is a directive from the 'bean counters' in government.

As you're no doubt aware, you do have anonymity on this Forum ? Also, if your allegations are of a local (State) distribution level, you should speak with your state police ? If you think it's a case of importation into Oz, then it's the Feds (AFP) you should speak with.
Other than that, I can't help you.

motorcyclemessiah - I belive that these cops quit for the reason of honesty

An all too common occurrence in Queensland. The Fitzgerald Inquiry a few years back did eradicate a number of bad eggs including the then Commissioner however it didn't dig anywhere near deep enough with the result that the corruption simply became more secretive. Occasionally someone gets too big for their boots however, like the previous head of Ethical Command who got nabbed by customs of all things. Turns out he'd been running a nice little sideline flogging military style weapons to the mob.

o sung wu

For the record, I have issues with all persons in positions of authority and / or positions of trust who MIS-use said positions. Whilst such a view is clearly politically incorrect in the 21st century, I will continue to do everything within my power to identify, expose, and ensure REAL justice is done. Pity the same doesn't apply to all who wear blue uniforms. 'Honest' cops cannot possibly believe police investigating police is kosher, they could never approve of bashings, they could never approve of whistleblower intimidation, they could not approve being used for revenue-raising, they could DEFINITELY not approve of union presidents like that knuckledragging clown Leevers ... if they are indeed 'above board' why don't they complain about these issues ??

Emmmmm ? PRAXIDICE...

It would now appear that you, being such a virtuous and righteous individual, should appoint yourself, the moral inquisitor and scrutineer, of all those who are and were on the public payroll. Just reading your words of ethical illumination, is a cathartic moment for me. Coupled with your immense enthusiasm to again bring about absolute probity to all of us misguided, anatomically challenged ('knuckle-dragging' - an individual who suffers with abnormally long arms, I should think?) folk, wearing a blue uniform ?

Come on PRAXIDICE, admit it ? You are, in reality an important member of a small, but very powerful oligarchy ? Where, in order to be admitted into that august group, you must first prove to all those within, that you possess an overt propensity for extreme narcissistic and egotistic (self-love) tendencies ? Try not to be too abashed about it old man ? You're merely unwell.

And to further extrapolate that notion, you tried on several occasions to gain admission to the police service, and that is how your rather unfortunate pathology, of the whole 'narcissism' complication, ended up being detected. Sadly, that was the catalyst for your long, and perverse journey of recrimination, reprisal, and unfounded allegations against the entire policing industry, in toto? A vocation that you unquestionably, dearly wished to become part of, but were rejected ! Not once but twice. Thus adding a tremendous layer of insult to your injury !

o sung wu - A vocation that you unquestionably, dearly wished to become part of

Actually I never applied, only ever gave it a fleeting thought but it would have meant too many steps backward. At the time everyone had to do crap like directing traffic regardless of qualifications / experience.