Lexi you first post made its point to me instantly, and is one I support whole heartedly.

Csteele I share your feelings of pride, in the fact we never agree.
It in my view is a truth-ism, the very left will board any cause to gain its scrabbled eggs view an airing.
Also the the new left of center that MUST emerge post Labors defeat, needs a path more actually support and want, that path should distance, every time, centrist left from all extremes.
No answers yet, have we noticed?
Are some here saying the victims, are deserving of their Murder.
And that the Murder is justified because of their country,s actions?
Including the support for Libya?
A thought unanswered in my thread stands lonely and ignored.
Is our defense of free speech worth while if it shelters the radical preachers of hate?
I feel on solid ground and unchallenged in saying if we spoke of these folklike they do of us.
In the lands they or their forefathers came from , we would die or be imprisoned for it.
What Price freedom of speech then, if its one sided?

Belly - You never cease to amaze me, Quote
"Philip S said by inference this man deserved to be MURDERED*
Would you both care to comment, or explain what you meant?"

Can you please explain what part of my post infers what you allege it to infer?

I see the Islamic apologist out again. Unbelievable I suppose if they face up to the evil of Islam then they also have to admit the corruption of human nature including themselves. Maybe the murderer simply did what the prophet writes in the book for them to do to infidels. It would take a little swallowing of pride for those that have supported such a treachorous immigration policy. The secularist hated Christianity so much that now they are reaping what they have sown. and to think the warmist religion has the arrogrance to use the word denial. So obvious but people choose to be so blind. More intent to demonise messengers like Wilders than face simple truth. Future generations will curse the 'denialist' and it won't be those denying gw.

How long will it take for western nations to wake up?

Islam is committed to world domination and goes about that in a violent way.

In the last week there have bee 52 attacks, resulting in 311 deaths and 893 critically injured.

In the last month there have been 202 attacks,resulting in 957 deaths and 2403 critically injured. This occured in 25 countries.

Since 9/11 there have beed 20946 terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. Deaths too numberous to count.

It is well beyond time we in Aus did something about it. The figures alone show it is far more than 'just a few'.

What we can do is stop further immigration of those that do not and apparently cannot integrate into our society. Muslims fall into that catorgory, as they have shown by there actions both here and in other countries. They are a violent religous/political organization that seek to impose terror on those people they call infidels. When there are no infidels to blow up they resort to killing other muslims of differing sect, as seen in Iraq and recently in Lebanon.

We can well do without importing more.

Dear runner,

I don't know of any one who's apologising for Islam
on this discussion.

Most intelligent people won't comment on a
religion they know little or nothing about.
Are you so well informed
about Islam as to be able to comment on it in great depth?
Most of us aren't. There are fundamentalists in any religion.
Look at the extremists in the US - and what they preach and do.

And, as we know - there are preachers who can and do influence
people to commit certain abhorrent acts. This heinous act was
influenced by someone outside this man's Christian family.
That's the person the authorities needs to be looking at.
Who knows how many others he's influenced.

Belly a difficult question you pose. How do we stop terrorism? I don't think the world will ever see the end of terrorism whether by governments motivated by powerful interest groups, dictators or political or religious zealots.

The real problem is not really religion or politics, those factors certainly contribute but more as fodder to fuel the fire. The real problem is one of inequity and injustice - real or perceived.

The best efforts to thwart terrorism is not more authoritarian or interventionist foreign policy but a desire to address global economic imbalances. Educating women and men in the developing world and ensuring their rich resources are used to assist development and foster wellbeing in those communities. Rather than just line the pockets of foreign owned corporate body with little thought to the interests of local communities or the impact they leave behind on environments and food production.

All the national security efforts governments throw at the problem are just bandaid effects, and war and terrorism bring in lots of money for many big corporations. This is one aspect only - the US in particular has a huge military industrial complex which resists any form of cuts to defence spending.

I am certainly not arguing that wars or strife in every part of the world is some great conspiracy but the bottom line is what we know about Iraq after the fact - the reasons for war and the loss of many lives - was based on a manipulated fraud. There is no doubt about it. This is the reverse of anti-terrorism or national security policy no matter the spin put about by trained PR advisors.