Josephus - those in power in USA do not murder their innocent citizens

Well apart from the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon, Oklahama City & a bunch of others

Josephus,

It's hard to disagree with that sentiment - especially since Syria and Afghanistan are currently war zones - and Pakistanis are subject to murder by drone from the US.

I'm supposing that if America was a war zone, you'd probably choose another country (not at war)as your preferred locale.

prax very little you say gets past my own filter but this time?
See I know and have said so, at least 50 times, we are not being told the true cost of the boats.
[ENOUGH TO PAY FOR GONSKI AND CHANGE]
FOR ALL HEALTH NEEDS!
I same again, am not hiding my party,s blame for the BL&^DY CRISIS.
OK so far? am I now safe to say this?
Greens stupidity is not the only reason they are still coming.
Think we me, greens by locking them selves in the parliamentary toilets saying lets do nothing.
Are contemptible.
Abbott however is too, his single true reason, his *only reason*
For not letting the Malaysian solution be trialled is *HE KNOWS IT WILL WORK*
Now if a parent, if you are blind enough to call them that, puts a child on a leaking boat, and we sent them back who would you blame.
Do not discount my views Abbott has made his task, stopping them, much harder.
But just his election will slow the flow.

Belly

I have very slightly less confidence in Rabbott than I do the red-headed witch and that is so little even an electron microscope would have extreme difficulty finding it. Whilst we don't have a clue what the REAL cost of illegals is, you are undoubtedly correct in saying it would pay for a LOT. I also concur with your assessment of the Greens, oxygen is wasted on that lot. Dunno where you get your confidence in the RAbbott though ... someone low enough to pull that despicable trick on One Nation, that would accept the criminally insane salary increase initiated by the red-headed witch & who would do a deal with the devil herself without a hint to his compatriots whilst lying to all and sundry to cover his tracks isn't exactly someone I'd take seriously. I don't give a rats if eveery other politician on planet earth 'does the same', his actions are utterly deplorable and indicative of a bottom-feeding grub who should rightfully be confined to a dungeon.

There P in your own words is the reason I take little notice of your post.
Use the words the English system gives us to insult.
Abbott is no true Liberal.
But if he was almost any one, he would win this election.
Gillard lacks trust worthiness and the basic skill to tell her story.
BUT people smugglers are filling the boats now!
Because Gillard has her back turned , until she wakes up, Abbott will by just being elected stop many boats.
Have you considered our fate?
Two self serving leaders , only one soon,and no need for policy,s, see Abbott could hide in one of those Telstra pits, and come out on 14/9 as PM, he needs not,say a word, maybe not your description but Gillard wins Liberals an extra vote every time she opens her mouth.

Belly

Some of what you say is fine, but there are other games in play than the red-headed witch vs Rabbott one.

Abbott is no true Liberal. questionable

But if he was almost any one, he would win this election. probably

Gillard lacks trust worthiness understatement of the century

and the basic skill to tell her story. agreed

BUT people smugglers are filling the boats now! agreed

Because Gillard has her back turned , until she wakes up, Abbott will by just being elected stop many boats. highly doubtful, his proposal is flimsy

Have you considered our fate? constantly

Two self serving leaders , no argument there