Lexi,

Very shabby. There shoul be some recognition at the very least of what Jayb went through and confirmation that what happened to him and his friend was wrong and no, they shouldn't be blamed themselves -as you appear intent to do. Why?

Jayb,

No victim of violence, verbal or physical, 'deserved' it, or was to blame for the trauma suffered. Know that there are people who care and that the people who care are always in an abundance that is far greater than the cruel persecutors, punishers and bigots on the other side.

While it remains true that partner violence and violence generally are genderised to exclude females as offenders and men as possible innocent victims too, the world is slowly turning to reveal the dark side and the negative stereotyping of men is being questioned. There is hope for men who are suffering from partner abuse. Gender politics cannot keep the lid on the obvious flaws in the ideology and wrongs forever.

Dear onthebeach,

Go back and re-read our discourse.
Both Jayb and I were being facetious.
None of it was meant to be taken seriously.
The words, "naughty, naughty," should have
given you a clue. Why do you always put your
own interpretations onto what others have posted.
All you have to do is read them - and use your
comprehension skills. I assume you're an
intelligent man. But you nit-pick consistently
and put your own spin onto things and then get
angry. Stop doing it. You look silly.

Lexi, "facetious. None of it was meant to be taken seriously"

But I did read what Jayb wrote about his experiences and his friend's as well

and NO,

I don't believe that he just just being facetious as you say.

You might be dismissive of violence affecting men, but men experience hurt just as women do. However, as Jayb relates, they are unlikely to be treated seriously when they report offences and the women who offend against them are unlikely therefore to curb their abuse and violence, ever. Women will continue to commit violence as long as other women turn a blind eye and do not hold them to account.

You prove Jayb's point by being dismissive of his sad experiences

But even in the event that Jayb was being wry about the very unfair and unsatisfactory treatment of himself and his friend (realistically, what other choice does he have?), that does not provide the opportunity to re-victimise by rubbing salt into the wound. It doesn't excuse lack of sympathy and empathic confirmation that yes, they were wronged and it should not have happened then and nor should it be permitted to occur again in the future.

As someone who continually sets herself up as a moral judge where sexual offences and wrongs are concerned, you do appear to he one-eyed and uncaring where female to male violence is concerned. Violence is violence wouldn't you agree?

Er... OTB, While what has happened to me & many other men was disheartening, it was a bit of friendly banter between Lexi & I.

I do agree with & appreciate what you have said whole heartedly & I thank you for the support. Perhaps in another Forum we could discuss the double standards of fulltime Femi-Nazi's. I do understand that most women find the Hard Core Femi-Nazi's abhorrent, just as most men find violence against women abhorrent.

The media show only the vocal Femi-Nazi minority & he Violent Male minority & beat it up like it's all mainstream. They rarely show the good women working behind the scenes for the advancement of women & they rarely show men giving their wives full support in everything they which to achieve. Sad, so sad.

Jayb & Lexi,
Fair enough to both then and as you were.

Dear onthebeach,

Had you bothered to check my posting record
you would have learned that my young nephew
was violently beaten by a band of thugs while
he tried to help a young girl being attacked.
He ended up with a steel plate in his head
and has never been the same since. To suggest
that I am dismissive of male violence is
ludicrous to say the least and really quite
shameful of you.

As I told runner on another thread -
criticism can be very valuable if it promotes
robust debate. But before you criticise, think what
gain is going to come out of that criticism and
sometimes maybe you need to keep it to yourself.
Just take two seconds to think before you post.
I shall try to do the same in future.

Dear Jayb.,

My apologies that I made no reference to what you
had gone through. It wasn't that I didn't feel
any empathy for you. It was simply that
I was caught up in the frivolity of our banter.
Thank You for understanding.