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Posted by individual, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 5:41:53 AM
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The scientific evidence is clear. The benefits of vaccination vastly outweigh the risks. Also, because many vaccinations are not 100% effective, and vaccination effectiveness relies on group immunization, the risks of non vaccinated children extend to some extent to other children.
While the law gives idiot parents the right not to vaccinate their children, it should also give responsible parents the right to ensure their kids' safety and exclude non vaccinated children from their playgroups and child care centers Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 8:43:18 AM
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Good Morning all,
Yes the state has the legal right to force Immunization on the population just as much as it has the right to force us to obey the road rules or not smoke in planes. The government is the democratically elected voice of the people and if we don't like it we vote them out at the next election full stop. This doesn't preclude the moral issue though and therein lies the quandary. The government is giving parents the choice in a democratic way. If you object to the Immunization protocols then don't put your kids in preschool. Look after them where you should. In the home. Posted by chrisgaff1000, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 9:06:05 AM
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Yes, RM,
You might like to spout your twaddle to the parents of new-born babies who contract whooping cough. http://www.public.health.wa.gov.au/2/274/2/pertussis_whooping_cough_fact_sheets.pm http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-04/wa-facing-whooping-cough-epidemic/3757546 Before a child is six months old, and receives the final of it's bi-monthly immunisations (at 2,4, and 6 months of age) it's vulnerable to infection. We've all seen videos of very young babies in the grip of what can be a deadly disease. These babies haven't even had the chance to be immunised fully. If the disease is out there, they are extremely vulnerable. And that's on top of the danger to society of dwindling of herd immunity regarding other diseases like polio, measles and diphtheria. The point is that we don't see what were once common deadly and maiming diseases anymore. It makes us complacent. The one reason they are banished from society has been "near" universal immunisation. Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 9:14:27 AM
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There is a common mistake in many of the discussions surrounding vaccination and it is occurring in this one as well. Firstly a vaccination (or schedule of vaccinations) does not provide immunity. At best it MAY prevent the disease but often does not (hence the number of cases of whooping cough amoungst people who have received the whooping cough vaccination). The second mistake is calling vaccinations, 'immunisations' as using the latter term in this way gives an impression that immunity has been achieved. Immunity is simply not achieved as a result of a vaccination. Personal choice in the issue of vaccination must be upheld. If this personal choice is removed and vaccinations became mandatory with no exemptions possible then the government would need to set up a compensation scheme for those people damaged by vaccinations.
Tired Posted by tired, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 10:29:55 AM
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With the abandoning of the immunization of children we are exposing them to a mach greater danger of being violently ill or death.
Tuberculosis was practically eradicated and now is getting back. Polio is getting back wit vengeance. As for some doctor recommending not immunizing the small kids on the religious or mistrust ground,I will be curious are their kids vaccinated.Australia as a free country is open to individual translation and influence from various religious group. The proposal not to admit not immunized kids in kindergarten is a step in right direction.Parents of not immunized kids suppose to kary the burden of medical or hospital costs bay them self. Posted by jimdimo, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 10:46:47 AM
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RawMustard,
I think you
re dreadfully wrong on this one. Anyone who has to share this planet has a right & indeed a responsibility to pull others into line. Be it social behaviour or fighting/preventing/curing illness.
Immunization has reduced the incidence of decease in some ways however, whilst a lot of the treatments have resulted in healthier bodies it has increased the incidence of mental illness.
Treatment also increased pollution.