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How many is an 'Invasion'
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Posted by Banjo, Friday, 3 May 2013 11:28:46 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
Actually I've also spoken to them and to the Parliamentary Library and to the Human Rights Commission, to name just a few. And they all stated that, "there is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa." as stated in the DIAC's fact sheets on asylum seekers. The term "illegal" may more appropirately apply to those without a valid visa who are not seeking protection (such as visa overstayers). The following link may help: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-17/cassidy-a-rare-challenge-for-abbott/4203120 Posted by Lexi, Friday, 3 May 2013 11:44:33 AM
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Dear Banjo,
Here's the link you asked for: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts#_Toc348096466 There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa. Asylum seekers who come by boat are not illegal immigrants. The Migration Act 1958 allows for entry to Asutralia without a visa for the purpose of seeking asylum. The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a signatory) recognises that refugees have a right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold valid travel or identity documents. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 3 May 2013 11:57:14 AM
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Another link: http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/4/are-asylum-seekers-who-arrive-by-boat-illegal-immigrants Posted by Lexi, Friday, 3 May 2013 12:07:38 PM
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Lexi,
Entering the country unlawfully does not mean they have done anything criminal. It just means that they have not followed the letter of the law whilst entering the country. While this may not be politically "appropriate" it is still technically correct. Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 3 May 2013 2:57:42 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
How can it be "unlawful" when asylum seekers are not breaking any Australian law simply by arriving on boats without authorisation. Australian and International laws make these allowances for these people because it is not always safe or practicable for asylum seekers to obtain documents or travel through authorised channels. "Unlawful" applies to people who are not seeking protection, such as visa overstayers. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as "unlawful," or "Illegal," entrants as in fact they have a lawful right to enter Australia to seek asylum. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 3 May 2013 3:31:25 PM
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Actually the term 'Unlawfull entrant' applies to ALL persons arriving without valid documentation. We simply chose not to prosecute the offence if the person applies for asylum, but they are still unlawfull and that is the only reason we can put them in detention.
There are some people that arrive legally, with valid docs, and then apply for asylum, we do not detain them. They are free to go about their business while being assesed. We cannot and do not detain legal arrivals.
As Lexi said, DIAC has all the official information and is easily contactable.