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How many is an 'Invasion'
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Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:45:04 PM
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SPQR,
However Lexi, and other, try to spin it, the fact remains that Article 31 of the Refugee Convention refers to 'illegal entrants' and that contracting countries, like Aus, agree not to penalise those illegal entrants that subsequently claim our protection. It seems Lexi has tried the DIAC website and got no joy and now she resorts to things like TV programs to support her argument. I wondered when she would get around to the UN. By the way, the Refugee convention also state there is an obligation for refugees to abide by a countries laws and regulations. Aus laws require all non citizens entering to have a valid visa. While acknowledging they are 'unlawfull entrants', we do not penalise them for their breaking our laws, providing they apply for protection. I must give Lexi marks for persistance, but she is not the only one misled by illegals advocates. Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 4 May 2013 1:38:23 PM
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Yup, Banjo...
It seems we penalise some more than others. If you arrive by plane and overstay your visa, then apply for asylum, you'll probably be allowed to remain in the community - and sometimes even work. If you arrive in a clapped-out fishing vessel after a perious journey, you're locked up (if you're really lucky, you'll end up in a scene from Carry On Camping in the lovely and inspiring locale of Manus Island) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-29/tv-still-showing-manus-island-27foul-ground27-sign-28four-co/4657420 Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 4 May 2013 1:46:17 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,
Media Watch simply corrects misinformation. That's their job and they do it without any political bias or agenda. The letter to the editor that SPQR posted from the public servant in 2004 came as no surprise. John Howard won re-election in 2001 partly because of his tough policy on asylum seekers arriving by boat. What else could a public servant under Howard write - the demonising of asylum seekers was the politics of the day. Years on John Howard is still framing the asylum seeker debate. Asylum seekers are still being demonised and the Coalition is still sending messages of "We will stop the boats." Thus hoping to win the election. Dear Banjo, I've given you the link earlier that you had asked for, It confirms quite clearly the points I've been making. Article 31 of the Refugee Convention prohibits states from imposing penalties on refugees and this article recognises that refugees have a lawful right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum. It lists the number of rights specific to refugees. No matter what evidence is presented and what's said I can see that your mind is made up. There's nothing more to be said. I'll leave you to your opinion. However, remember facts don't cease to exist simply because you don't like them or choose to ignore them. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 4 May 2013 4:23:27 PM
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cont'd ...
Look up under the chapter: "Are asylum seekers illegal?" page 2. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id&3A%22library/prspub/HGNW6%22 Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 4 May 2013 4:54:14 PM
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Well that's interesting, Lexi.
Particularly the part that states: "The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not labelled an 'illegal immigrant'..." and "Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats without authorisation. Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe and practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels..." Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 4 May 2013 6:10:01 PM
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It, & the science show, must be about the most biased segments on the ABC, & thus ever broadcast anywhere on earth.