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Should I, Would you?

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I wonder whether the average speed of movement through the streets of New York is any higher today? My grandfather was killed in the 20s by a horse after stepping out from behind a tram in Sydney. That video shows how easy that may have been to achieve!

O sung wu, I don't expect great scholarship, but it seems to me that knowing the law is a basic part of policing and wilfully misadvising the public as to the elements of laws that they may rub up against regularly is a serious failure of policing. The Act relating to traffic cameras is not complex and the use of such cameras impacts hundreds of drivers daily. The form of Stat Dec attached to the notice which is issued is itself misleading, since it is based only on one part of the Act and doesn't admit to any possible course of action other than the one provided, or that of taking the matter before the court. The problem is that the Act itself doesn't allow the matter to be decided by a Court except in limited circumstances that are not related to the evidence of culpability, but are to do with proper process being followed. In other words, the court can only rule on whether the police have properly followed process, not on whether they got the right person.

That is not the fault of frontline police, but they should be aware and able to advise people who ask that there is an alternative procedure that may be followed. By failing to do so they can create a miscarriage of justice that could be readily averted by the correct information being provided. If I had taken the police advice as proper, rather than taking the time, trouble and expense to consult a solicitor, I would now be facing being found liable for an offence I did not commit.

The more I think on this, the stronger my view that a formal complaint is warranted.
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:07:58 AM
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I'l also be investing in an excellent gadget I saw advertised by ALDI yesterday. it is a pen that contains a HD camera with the lens in the clip. Any future interactions with police or other bureaucratic process workers will be filmed.
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:10:21 AM
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Yes Antiseptic, I have long thought that you should always be prepared at the press of a button to at least audially record any interactions you have with the police.

It would be nice if you could just say to a police officer, that you are recording the conversation in the interests of being able to accurately recall the important details, but I somehow think that this would only aggravate some officers, so better to do it on the sly.

You’d think in this day and age, with audio and visual recording being so easy, and easy to hide, that it would have improved the adherence to the code of conduct and proper process on the part of the police.
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 9:43:25 AM
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You could use the same recording device that has become necessary to later prove consent to bonking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4WgR85SAOU&list=UUijH5lF8vXFkAhO_8jb4o8Q&index=4

Hold on a minute, that suggestion may have been hilarious once, but it doesn't seem so funny any more.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 1:22:29 PM
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Nothing like a little cutting edge technology to fight the forces of evil...

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/03/14/106628473-4_3_r536_c534.jpg?1b79b3da202957124496e3768cfb7b67cdb10c81
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 1:41:32 PM
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Poirot's folly: forever destined to be the seagull that flies in, dumps and leaves. LOL

As this report in The Sunday Mail (Qld) shows, police already do record conversations, sometimes without official technology. See here,

<Police are armed with powerful voice-recording watches

Kay Dibben November 10, 2007

QUEENSLAND police officers are secretly taping conversations with the public through sporty wristwatches that contain powerful voice recorders.

The recording is legal and one covertly taped conversation has already been used as evidence in court.

The recorders, which look like a normal watch, are being bought privately by officers on the internet for about $180.

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A conversation between a police officer and a woman at Brisbane's City station in July -- secretly taped by the policeman on his recorder-watch -- was successfully submitted as evidence in a Brisbane Magistrates Court case last month.
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The lawyer who represented the woman has now bought one of the recorder-watches for himself>

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/police-use-secret-recorders/story-e6freoof-1111114847856
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 2:36:34 PM
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