Halal-only Menus
RESIDENTS across Harrow have vented their anger about proposals to have Halal-only menus in primary schools in the borough. Meat is meat. What does it matter how it’s killed? These stupid parents should find other things to whine about. Halal meat is more hygienically processed anyway.The newspaper revealed exclusively how Harrow Council has employed a catering company to only prepare Halal meat – to serve youngsters in Harrow. This is nothing new to my knowledge, Tower Hamlets council been doing Halal meat in schools for at least 3 years or more.

The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve humanity. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” during their life time. Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

There are couples of state schools in Harrow where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies so that non-Muslim children could enjoy their own meals in their own schools.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Here is some sites with info about the author.

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Pretty sure there's no real meat in school dinners anyway.

>>The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades.<<

The Crusades ended hundreds of years ago. Stop being a dick.

>>There are couples of state schools in Harrow where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies so that non-Muslim children could enjoy their own meals in their own schools.<<

Because segregation has worked so well before. Stop being a dick.

Cheers,

Tony

Dear Iftikhar,

Let me get this straight. You're saying that Halal-meat
should be served in school lunches in state schools?
And that these schools should be made into "Muslim
Academies," because the majority of students are
Muslims? You refer to the UK - where non-Muslim
parents are objecting to this happening and you're
blaming both these non-Muslims and the local council
for "whinging" and somehow being unreasonable?

I'm afraid that to me that simply is not logical.
I still don't understand what's happening in the UK
has to do with Australia.

Muslims, like any other religious group - have the right
to send their children to their own religous schools.
Where their special needs will be catered for. Our
society allows religious groups this choice. It is up to
the parents to make the choice on behalf of their children
as to where their children will be educated. Public
schools have to cater not to specific needs of specific
religious groups but to all groups.

Halal-meat is very expensive - and also may play a part in
why the local council is not subscribing to providing
this meat for school lunches. Public schools don't have
the finances to cater to specialised groups.

I have the feeling that you Sir, are simply stirring.
You do have choices in our society - and complaining
because you want everyting your own way - without
seeing the bigger picture is childish - and it won't change
anything

Have to agree with everything Lexi said

OP, "Halal meat is more hygienically processed anyway"

Factoids are the usual ploy of the activist. The hope is that no-one checks and the lie becomes truth. Australian meatworks are inspected and have to meet stringent sanitation conditions. Although there is halal slaughter in some works, ritual slaughter is just as likely performed outside of regulated works. The reasons for this are obvious.

I abhor ritual slaughter. It should be firmly discouraged. Even where pre-stunning is used it is not the same as the stunning used for other slaughter.

Years ago the mainstream religious schools in Australia, usually Roman Catholic, lost their emphasis on teaching their creed as a way of life. In Catholic schools for example priests and nuns are not often seen and the teachers are laypersons. It is that circumstance that is the implied and real pre-condition for community support of government subsidised education via the 'religious' schools.

Some Muslims want to turn back the clock to a Forties Australia where religious fundies blackmailed government into strict censorship and tight control over citizens' behaviour. Fat chance, we will see them in hell first.

What I also object to is foreign interests attempting to influence Australian politics.

Iftikhar,
by the looks of things you're trying hard to become the meat (Halal) in the sandwich here.
So what if an animal is killed while its backside points west or wherever,

What I also object to is foreign interests attempting to influence Australian politics.
onthebeach,
It couldn't happen if the Australians weren't just as bad if not worse than the foreigners.

you are a fisherman bloke.
Hook baited you got past 100 in the thread upstairs.
Tell me, why should a thinking Australian care? about a menue in England?
Few if any will know if other than Muslims even eat there, or care.
We do not force our pork sausages on you so maybe, the best of us can ignore the bait.
Now if you want to talk.
How about tell us your view of half wits flogging a car on fire with a stick?

Iftikhar>>These stupid parents should find other things to whine about. Halal meat is more hygienically processed anyway<<

Greetings sport or sportette, Lexi has succinctly dealt with the subject, but I would add only to your “stupid parent” comment.

What is wrong with pork, what is wrong with puppy dogs. Is it stupid not to eat pork or revile dogs as Muslims do?

No it is not, it is your right of choice and that is my view. But like most Muslim doctrines the opposite view is hated with a passion and the proponents of that view are viewed as being less than human. Religion of peace and love…give me a break.

Just so you understand where I am coming from Iftikhar I consider the Zionists in Israel and the poor Palestinians they torture as equals given the Palestinians would do it to the Jews if the shoe was on the other foot. It speaks volumes about the Semitic races

Iftikhar

would u also like to see blind people banned from taxis because they are not allowed to take their guide dogs? I noticed the audience applauded the Iman on Q@A the other night while mocking the priest when both dealt with the issue of homosexuality in identical ways. What an extra dumb audience the ABC get in each week.

Dear runner,

You state that you thought the studio audience in
ABC's "Q and A" on Monday night was not very
bright. Perhaps you should be made aware that the
largest percentage of them were Christian.

Also, you stated that the audience were against the
Catholic Archbishop from Brisbane - Mark Coleridge,
and they supported the Muslim Imam Dr Mohamad Abdalla,
when both these men's take on homosexuality was the
same.

No, their take was not the same at all. The Imam stated
that Islam considers homosexuality as a sin but it
does not take the person out of the fold, and that
compassion should be shown towards them.

Whereas the Archbishop stated that homosexuals were a
"warp" in God's creation - which obviously caused offense
to many people.

There is a difference between the two views and that
should be acknowledged.

Lexi

'No, their take was not the same at all. The Imam stated
that Islam considers homosexuality as a sin but it
does not take the person out of the fold, and that
compassion should be shown towards them. '

You obviously heard different from me. The Iman actually said words to the effect that homosexuals were to be treated humanly but were not allowed to join the fold. This is identical to the Catholic Priest response. He specifically said that Islam forbids homosexuality. In other words his response was the same as that of the Iman.

you also say

'Perhaps you should be made aware that the
largest percentage of them were Christian. '

its a pity their were no bible beleivers on the panel (no coincedence I suspect) considering the topic was faith. To have an unbelieving Priest sprouting nonsense is an insult to any true beleiver. The audience is also usually claimed to be made up of a large number of conservative voters. That must mean that Labour/Green voters are very loud sniggerers who usually with their sarcasim appear to be the majority. Of course Jones often joins the chorus. Thankfully polls consently contradict the make up of the audience these days.

Dear runner,

I actually Googled Monday night's "Q and A,"
and quoted directly from the Transcript
of both the Imam and the Archbishop word
for word. I did not rely on my memory as
you have done. The transcript is available
on the web.

As for the Archbishop being a non-believer?
What on earth do you mean by that?
A non-believer of what? He's the Catholic
Archbishop of Brisbane.

As for what the audience believes? Well they do
a survey prior to each show - and the majority
did describe themselves as Christian.

Obviously their understanding of what that means
differs from yours.

Cheers.

Hello again Lex

quotes from Iman taken from the transcript speaking fo homosexulaity
'Very briefly, it prohibits it. It doesn't allow it. '

' It is prohibited by the unanimous agreement of Muslim scholars but it is prohibited for those who have accepted Islam as a faith. '

THe Iman also got away with something that the Catholic Priest could never of

'You want to choose homosexuality that is your choice but for those who... '

and yes I obviously have a different view of a Christian in contrast to that of the ABC.

The Catholic Bishop failed miserably on creation and denied the clear teachings of Scripture

Dear runner,

The Bible is open to interpretation as the
Archbishop indicated. It is not to be taken
literally. It should be taken in context and
not given an authority far beyond its
history's capacity to justify. But of course
I full understand that the source of your
absolute morality is in the Bible which you
do take literally.

If you want to continue this discussion in
greater depth - I suggest that you start
your own thread on this topic.

I have no further wish to interact with you any
further on this thread.

why give up so soon Lexi?
Did the facts contradict your views?

Austin Powers

'Did the facts contradict your views? '

Sadly Austin that appeared to be the case.

Come AP can you tell of any lengthy talk with runner?
He is not a Christian.
And no conversationalist .

Isn't this all a waste of time... Iftikhar himself, despite starting the thread, tells us "Meat is meat. What does it matter how it’s killed?"

So it is a total non-issue.

Dear Austin P.,

Actually the opposite is true.
Google the transcript of the show for yourself and read it.
The reason I'm leaving is that I don't see the
point of continuing a discussion with someone who
is not sensitive to his own sins and is more inclined
to judge others so harshly. A person must be both stupid
and uncharitable who believes there is no virtue of
truth but on his own side.

Cheers.

The concept of Halal in foodstuffs is really just a marketing issue and done by manufacturers to increase sales.

It's not some sort of overt conspiracy to convert the population to Islam by forcing them to eat food somehow imbued with magical powers.

It's not much different from "kosher", "low-fat", "no added sugar" or the Heart Foundation tick of approval slogans made to get people to buy their product in preference to another.

Maybe a warning sticker saying "Danger - may contain traces of Halal products" is what some would prefer.

Is pork, crocodile, kangaroo, rabbit, camel meats Halal? All these meats are available in Sydney and in most supermarkets. Majority muslim communities would ban these meats depriving me of pork crackling.

This Muslim Iftikhar is on a crusade to change the world by laws and local practise. They continue to uphold ancient health laws regarding pork as unclean that have since been shown to be misguided. For Christians there are no unclean meats if it is food. Indonesian Islands ride on the pigs back as a prime food source, and dogs as a secondary meat source.

This Muslim Iftikhar is on a crusade to change the world by laws and local practise.
Josephus,
By the looks of things they've past the halfway mark in doing that.

The best way is not to give his posts notice so his crusade dies suddenly. Object privately or on another thread, ignore him.

Another thread to show how stupid religions are. They feed the simply minded with fear and superstition. I want Grimm's book of fairy tails made standard text in all schools. If children are to believe religious rubbish they may as well believe in other fairy tails. I see it as putting balance into the equation.

Paul1405,
Thanks to the simple minded education system the simple -minded iflftiffihfakas of this world are gaining so much ground here.

Iftikhar has left the building....

He's gone to look for something to eat.

I refuse to buy meat from the Halal butcher down the road from me, his prices are too high, besides he's never got any pork chops! LOL
My partners favorite meat/food, pork bones for "boil up" and fish heads, big snapper one preferred. She always tells me those 2 big fish eye balls are hers, and the fishy brain is hers, bad luck for me. p/s I didn't know fish had a brain until she showed me. Oh! she loves the heads of prawns, the 'custard' from crabs and raw sea urchin roe. What's your favorite?

Paul1405,
Crackling is extremely hard to beat. I'm not sure though if Halal sowskin tastes better.

I see QUANTAS has bowed to only serving halel food on its flights. Halel food laws are 3,000 years old and apply to desert tribal people; and are irrelavent in todays society where health requirements are observed in quality and slaughter. Most muslim countries do not observe proper care for the health of animals slaughtered eg Indonesia

Josephus,
Well, can Qantas assure me that when I jump onto one of their planes I can have non-halatralalalal food ?

Probably not since they are in partnership with the Emirates, and assured them their planes will serve only halel food.

Josephus,
I imagine that once the Arabs start dealing with Qantas like they used to with the ships of the desert, the leprechaun will head for the emerald isle quick smart.

individual,
I assume then you know somthing that QUANTAS will not honour the contracts they have signed with the Emirates.

Josephus,,
I know nassingk !