Antiseptic,

Nobody is suggesting that specific examples
are invalid nor that "loonies are exemplary."

On the contrary - what is being asked is that
we broaden the discussion to not simply use
generalisations and sweeping statements when
referring to any particular group. I made it
quite clear that using statements like, "feminists
lie..." tends to tar everybody with the same
brush whereas had the word "some" been placed
in front of that statement it would be a fairer
statement. Not all feminists lie, not all
men bash women, and so on. Specific example
are one thing, and generalisations are quite another.

Lexi, I like your style : )

You have hit the nail on the head.
Antiseptic onthebeach does seem to tar all women and feminists with the same feathers.

Gender equality, or even gender-near-equality, will never be achieved while we have people amongst us who never see reason...

One of the points that I'd been thinking about is the division on this issue with what appeared to be little actual knowledge of the work of the group. Most of us probably don't have any first hand experience of the group or their work. I was generally pleased that they had been de-funded mostly based on my experience of the output of Gender Studies groups here, in the US and Britain rather than any knowledge of that specific group. I'm guessing that those who support the NIKK in this thread for the most part lack specific knowledge of their work and support them on a solidarity basis rather than out of specific knowledge.

I noticed the NIKK had a section on Men and Masculinities in the Archived section and found an article on Critical Studies on Men in Four Parts of the World.

http://www.nikk.no/Critical+Studies+on+Men+in+Four+Parts+of+the+World.9UFRrI52.ips

It provides some insights on what is wrong with so much of the Gender Studies world (for the non marxist).

The link to the subjects list of archived material can be found at http://www.nikk.no/English/Archive_1996-2011/Subjects_1996-2011/

R0bert

Thanks for those interesting links RObert.
The first article made a lot of sense to me, and seemed to say we should all be working together on gender studies, and not have an us and them situation.

"The term ‘men’s studies’ is used most often in the US, in the Nordic region, and by international publishers. It is also often favoured by those first-language English users who are not interested in developing critical, pro-feminist studies. To refer to ‘Men’s Studies’ can for them be a safe haven, where men can find their ‘voice’ and that of other men again. The use of ‘Men’s Studies’ can mask misogyny."

Surely trying to understand where both women and men are coming from, will ensure a much more harmonious world?
At the end of the day, almost all women have a loved male somewhere in their lives.
We all want the best for our loved ones, male or female.

What the documentary showed was that the women's gender studies were politicised. That casts grave doubts on its credibility and usefulness.

Society expects academic research to be skeptical, independent and rigorous. However feminist authors and academics are continually being outed for the opposite. Their work is politicised and not worth the paper it is written on. They make it up as they go and yes, it is anti-male. For a start, men are excluded.

The idea that feminists ought now expand their already well-padded bureaucracies to study men is preposterous.

I don't care what research comes up with, but it is worthless unless there is academic rigor at all times. Any charlatan can frame a circular argument, a self-fulfilling prophesy through manipulating the scope and disregarding results that are not seen as 'relevant' to a desired and pre-determined result.

Feminism has a lot in common with a religious cult. Certainly in the way the feminist knobs abuse and cold shoulder any dissenting voices from among their own ranks. There is a vicious cat-fight for ideological dominance and legal proceedings threatened going on at present among prominent feminists in Australia.

Dear RObert,

I did state in my very first post in this
thread that the specific example that
onthebeach gave of the Nordic Countries
defunding "Gender Theory," was obviously
the correct thing to have done in this
instance.

However, as I stated earlier the sociologist's
subject matter presents research problems of a
kind that natural scientists rarely have to deal
with. That is something that should be remembered
when discussing topics such as "Gender Theory."

We all need to have our consciousness raised to
the sensitivities of half the human race. Be they
female or male.

Dear Suse,

Thank You.