Suseonline,

We have in common similar grass roots observations and practical experience of aboriginal society. Our concerns are much the same.

I have not responded to you earlier because I was trying to remember one on the articles I read that encapsulated and expressed far better than I ever could, the problems that I have witnessed over the years. That is experience I have gained largely through travelling this land.

There are many wonderful people. But there are some truly awful traditions and SOBs who take advantage of them too. Australia's political correctness of multiculturalism casts a blanket over it. The courageous whistle-blowers who have continually raised red flags have lost their jobs and more for their efforts.

Anyway here is the article, appropriately titled 'Culture of Denial':

Culture of denial
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/culture-of-denial/story-e6frg8px-1111113048370

That is what so many advocates and protesters protect.

As awful as that article was to read Onthebeach , it is certainly one of the best I have read on Indigenous violence and abuse. Thank you for that.

I too remain angry that many awful violent or sexual abuse victims from Indigenous communities were ignored by police because of so called 'cultural sensitivities'

In fact, it was because of a conversation I had at a police station re one of the very stories in that article that directly led me to quitting my job in Aboriginal health.

I remain traumatised to this day...

Dear onthebeach,

Your statement that "feminist academics lie..."
is a sweeping statement and is not worthy of you.
Had you placed the word "some" in front of it - I
would not have a problem with it at all. But your
inference that they all do - is a bit of a stretch,
just like tainting all men with domestic violence.

You are right Lexi. Not all feminists hate men, just as not all female academics hate men or indeed identify as being feminist either.

I sometimes get the feeling that several posters on this site have a jealous streak for the women bright enough to attend university. Maybe they couldnt get there themselves?

I think there is a remnant of past old fashioned patriarchal views that women should be at home with the kiddies, and looking after their man, rather than having a career or studying at university.

Not all women at university have an agenda to speak out against males, or conduct studies to prove how violent males are. I am sure they have many other subjects to study.

Indeed, one doesn't have to be an academic to foster their own 'gender theories', as many on this site have proved...

Dear Suse,

Thanks for that.

I'm merely trying to broaden the discussion.
Other wise it will degenerate to finger-pointing.

Still, as I;ve stated in the past the art of
reasoned argument is a skill not easily acquired.
Sound reasoning will conquer unreasonable
generalisations every time. And stating that
"all feminists do this or that, instead of saying
"some..." makes one appear to be arguing on an
emotional level - not a mature intelligent one.

A more effective approach would be a subtle hint
that some feminists often use certain techniques to
achieve their goals. And that this also applies to
other researchers as well.

If you're going to criticise one group - you should
look at the bigger picture - otherwise it becomes
somewhat one-sided and biased.

Lexi, an even more egregious logical error is to try to pretend that a generalisation invalidates the specific examples.

Not EVERY feminist has to be a raving loony for the raving loonies to be exemplary.

Glad we got that cleared up.