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Nordic Countries defund 'Gender Theory'
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Lexi, I defer to R0bert's excellent summation.
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 23 March 2013 2:08:36 PM
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Antiseptic,
It is always important to question. And RObert has learned to do that through his life experiences. In the past men used to have greater access to wealth and power and prestige. They could earn more money, experience a range of career and other opportunities that used to be beyond the reach of most women. But of course the stress associated with a life of competition, repressed feelings and fear of failure had dire consequences. The statistics tell the story: Compared to women, men had three times the suicide rate, three times the rate of severe mental disorders, and six times the alcoholism rate. Men committed over 80 per cent of all serious crimes and constituted over 90 percent of all person inmates. They were far more likely than women to suffer stress-related diseases such as ulcers, hypertension, and asthma. The bleakest statistic was life expectancy. The average male died seven years sooner than the average female. It is hard to believe today that this catalogue of woes applied to the group that was supposed to be in the upper stratum in sexual stratification. Of course today, gender roles are in a state of flux, with some people adhering to the traditional patterns of the past and others exploring new and sometimes radical alternatives. The sociological research of the past two decades has revealed an astonishing amount of family violence - between spouses, between parents and offspring and among the offspring themselves. Leading researchers on violence among family members have observed that: "Some families and homes are perhaps as or more violent than any single institution (with the exceptions of the military, and only then in time of war)." This of course does not constitute that all families are violent. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 23 March 2013 5:51:42 PM
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Returning to the OP, gender theory is rot. But there are some who make a jolly good income from the lie.
Are gender 'roles' in a state of flux? No, I don't believe there is evidence for that either. Most men and women want children and a family arrangement formalised by marriage to do it. Raising children alone is tough. Raising children with a job and a demanding boss, male or female, is even tougher. But women especially want children and women especially want to nurture them. To assert otherwise is simply not believable. It is nature, so look around. The difference now is that there is pressure on women to work and work a lot longer. In fact towards a self-funded retirement age that is further off and could be even further off in the near future if government keeps spending on other things. It is also true that some women and men are hooked on materialism and consumption. Interestingly, conspicuous consumption is a persistent theme of editors of women's mags and columnists who claim to be feminists. That is the ideal of feminist careerism isn't it? Women wearing extravagant and ridiculously expensive clothing and accessories to show off to their friends. Hermes and the rag top Beamer? She waves a hand towards the walk-in robe packed with shoes, "You can't put a price on something that makes you feel that special". Next minute lecturing young women that they owe feminists everything. Then berating other women for breastfeeding or indulging in the practical and enjoyable crafts associated with home and family. Women have no harsher critics than the feminists. However women do go through many transitions in life, which is not something accepted by the feminist push in Australia. It will never come to pass that women will eschew the joy, fulfillment and honour of having a family and raising children. Of course there are some who aren't interested or want the State to do it for them. So what and honestly who cares? It is always too much information. Their choice and they are very welcome to it. Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 23 March 2013 9:36:54 PM
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Dear onthebeach,
Of course gender roles are in a state of flux, with some people adhering to much more traditional patterns and others exploring new and sometimes radical alternatives. One size no longer fits all. Generally speaking, the lower a person's social class, the more likely he or she is to conform to traditional stereotypes. The reason is probably that lower-class people have less freedom and effective choice in their lives, and so are slower to change established patterns. For example - Hispanic-Americans tend to conform more closely to traditional ways, partly because they tend to be relatively conservative on family issues and partly because a good deal of "machismo: is still entrenched in their culture. Black Americans on the other hand are the least male-dominated of the racial and ethnic groups in the US because so many family bread-winners in the black community are female. But despite such variations, the prevailing patterns generally provide the standard against which all others are measured. For their part, most men in Australia, after some hesitancy, have generally reacted positively to the growing equality of women. In fact, their own roles, being complimentary to those of women, are inevitably in some flux also. Men are now permitted a more gentle and expressive personality than would have been considered appropriate a few decades ago - the 1950s "John Wayne" image of manhood has less and less appeal to both sexes. Like the feminine role, the maasculine role today is more ambiguous, more flexible, more subject to interpretation by the individual. Resolving this kind of ambiguity is part of the challenge of social and cultural change. Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 24 March 2013 9:32:28 AM
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John Wayne is not OK. But Wonder Woman is OK.
In fact the characters played are creative inventions and despite the myth-making and patronising authoritarianism of feminists, the public can distinguish between the screen and reality. John Wayne the man exhibited the sensitivity, strength and positive virtues that are equally applicable to both men and women. He was a good father and a good citizen. Here he is, http://www.tonymedley.com/Articles/Patrick_Wayne_Reflects_on_John_Wayne_as_a_Father.htm Whereas some would like to imagine that sexual ambiguity is becoming prevalent and boys can be turned into half-decent girls, the truth is otherwise as demonstrated by the documentary that is the subject of this thread. Just as an observation of how people have not changed in their needs, expectations and hopes for a good life and future, is there a child who wouldn't want and obtain the most benefit from a happy family with mum and dad? What too about the passion of women for finding 'the one' and moans about alleged 'lack of commitment' of young men? Be careful what you wish for and accept that it is your choice, and your responsibility later. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 24 March 2013 1:38:42 PM
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Dear onthebeach,
Sexual equality does not mean gender similarity or a "unisex" society. It does not mean that women will gradually adopt the characteristics of men or that the two existing genders will converge on some happy medium. The most probable pattern is one in which many alternative lifestyles and roles will be acceptable for both men and women. Postindustrial modern societies are individualistic and highly open to change and experimentation, and therefore it is likely that men and women will explore a wide variety of possible roles. As I stated earlier - true liberation from the restrictions of gender would mean that all possible options would be open and equally acceptable for both sexes. Then a person's individual human qualities, rather than his or her biological sex, would be the primary measure of that person's worth and achievement. As for my citing the "John Wayne" image in my earlier post. This wasn't meant as a criticism of Mr Wayne as a person - merely the image that he represented of American manhood - which today is more flexible. BTW - My husband and I lived and worked in Los Angeles for close to ten years and I got to meet Mr Wayne on several occasions. I worked in the Reference Department of the Edward L. Doheny Memorial - University Library, University of Southern California. Mr Wayne along with many other celebrities belonged to the "Friends of the University Library," and attended quite a few of the Library's functions. He was a very charming man. Posted by Lexi, Monday, 25 March 2013 9:15:12 AM
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