Belly mate ship is when you through a bloke the keys to your car, so he can drive to a job interview.

Foolishness is when you let him have your car, & keep filling it with fuel, so he can drive to the pub, rather than a job interview.

Perhaps you are a bit out of it these days, you must be if you don't see any of these taking you for a fool. I'll help anyone, but you only get one go at making a fool of me.

My wife is a councilor. She was head hunted by a jobs network provider, after she had found lots of in school apprentice places for kids at out local high school.

A bleeding heart, it was never the unemployed fault. None of the homeless were ever at fault. We never broached the subject, as we had no meeting point.

After a few years now she sees my point. She has helped many good ones back into the workforce, some into very good jobs. Others she has found part time work, where they don't loose their welfare, before getting them back into propper work. Loosing welfare is a real worry for many of the genuine ones who have been unlucky.

However a great many will never turn up for interviews, or do so barefoot, unshaven, unwashed & smelly for a service industry job. It does not take long to spot the professional unemployed.

If you are fool enough to pay for this rabble, go for it, but don't expect every one else to join you.

"deserving" and "undeserving" poor "
Poirot,
the undeserving poor (the victims of Labor) get nothing & the undeserving poor (encouraged by Labor's mindless schemes) get too much.
I really believe a massive change is needed & soon. I for one am pressing for a two year National Service for 19-21 year olds. That would do such much good it'd keep the lefties dizzy for years from being dumbstruck.

Ar Belly, yo just can't help yourself can you, you always have to make me out to be the rotten one who pics in the poor.

You know I don't hate poor people, but I despise dole bludgers and as Hasbeen quite rightly points out, there are plenty of them.

Now as for your quest to empt your pantry, go right ahead, it's a free world, only some among us take that the wrong way, as they think it's our duty to provide them with their free world.

Now back on topic, do you honestly think it's wise to throw more money at this problem, without first addressing the short falls?

Surely you can see the waste that goes on in the system and the resulting kids who miss out.

This is not about poor people, it's about yet ANOTHER useless labor minister, trying to win votes by throwing MORE good money after bad.

Every single person in this country should in some way earn what they get, because if we don't stop the hand outs, we will be doomed, because thanks to labor, we now have all these illegals getting their hand outs as well, not to mention those who refuse to work, even after being here for five years.

I am afraid it's time someone brought out the big stick.

<<increase taxes, so that the dole can be increased, so recipients of the new start allowance COULD LIVE A DECENT EXISTANCE.>>

This is a noble cause and I'll be most happy to pay this extra tax - on two conditions:

1) That this tax be optional.
(otherwise the tax cannot achieve its purpose because one cannot enjoy a decent existence when living on money stolen from others)

2) That Centerlink is abolished and anyone who has no income receives this increased allowance with no questions asked.
(only a tiny office should remain to accept statutory-declarations that one has no income, then send the money to the nominated bank-accounts. Falsifying statutory-declarations is a matter for the police and already carries severe criminal penalties)

The very abolition of Centerlink will by itself easily fund the difference, then there are so many other government departments to abolish!

So if all you well off blokes want to stop 'welfare' payments to so called dole bludgers, will you also be comfortable taking it from their children?
Who pays for the dole bludgers kids then?

Do you not think that this country is rich enough not to have to 'force' serial non-workers to do something they are most probably mentally unable or unwilling to do, for whatever reason?

I have seen where Centrelink place these long term unemployed and otherwise generally unemployable people. They thrust them into aged care facilities.

These facilities are crying out for carers because of the poor pay such a job attracts.
Instead of improving pay and conditions so our sick elderly people can have quality care, every successive Government have sent unwilling unemployed people to 'care' for the most vulnerable people in our society.

I would rather they paid these unemployable people the dole...

Yep, real well off Suse, I'm on the age pension.

As a pensioner I'm not against welfare, just bludgers.

My wife lives in town, but prevailed upon me a couple of times to let one of her lost sheep, ones she felt were deserving, live in my now gone mums granny flat for a short time to help them out. Both caused damage, although not malicious damage, & I had trouble getting rid of one who was a nuisance when drunk.

The organisation she works for has to be very careful about not using the names of their staff, as some have been threatened by bludgers they have had to breach for continual noncompliance with welfare conditions. There is a real fear of retribution with some of them.

My wife may have not been careful enough, as I have had the wives of some of these bludgers come here at night, crying their eyes out, looking for her for help, when he has gambled or drunk the welfare, & they are about to loose their accommodation, or have no food.

If you are fair dinkum about helping any kids involved, you would be all for food/rent stamps, & bugger the bludgers pride. Most don't have any of that anyway.

Having had a bit to do with aged care facilities in business, & in the last few months of my mothers life, I can assure you no bludgers are employed by them around here. Yes the wages are low, but perhaps because it's a country area, the staff are really great almost to the last one.

Yes some ladies can't resist a lost sheep, but if you could see what the bludgers think of those silly enough to help them, you might wake up.