Hi again ONTHEBEACH...

Yup, you've blown me right out of the water ! Thank you for that link, and the article contained within that link. I had no idea of the existance of the NIKK and Mr Harald EIR, ONTHEBBEACH ? Amazing.

It would seem you've done much research on this topic, and I'll repeat what I said earlier, this Topic was illconceived by me, I knew so little about it, and it should've been left to someone like yourself to have 'run with it' ?

On the issue of 'female only' railway carrieges. No, I don't necessarily agree with you specifically on this issue. Our females, are ENTITLED to protection. I don't see it as a feminist issue at all. I'm not for a moment suggesting special rollingstock be added to each and every train. Only selected late night services, where risk, and the threat assessment is substantially higher. They are entitled to travel safely, it's a 'right'?

On each of your other points, I do agree with you ol' man.

Again, I must again reiterate, how thoroughly researched you are on this topic ONTHEBEACH ! Thank you. Do you agree with me maybe a little, on the carriages ?

o sung wu,

I really don't care if there are women only carriages or not. However if it was proposed by a man, it would be criticised as sexism, misogyny, discrimination, segregation, sexual apartheid and so on.

It wouldn't work in practice though. There are many good reasons why not. Why not the elderly and infirm? What about minors who are male? Delays in filling carriages and so on. What about train safety in case of fire, accident or other threat (need for movement between carriages)? There is as I say a long list.

However there is already a practice on some lines of having a carriage that is closer to the guard and monitored. It is not gender specific though and that reduces many of the practical problems. One can go there if one wishes. I have previously mentioned that to family members.

But safety on public transport should apply to everyone without discrimination. As public compensation schemes have long held, 'A life is a life'. We cannot remove all sources of risk, it is impractical.

The overwhelming number of trips on public transport are uneventful. Violence is unusual but highly reported. You may have noticed that the most recent violent fracas on public transport involved two women.

Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

Again you've made some valid points apropos the aged, infirm, and children and the like.

However, your last sentence mentioning crime perpetrated on passangers travelling by rail, 'is unusual, and highly reported' is incorrect.

Sorry ol' friend, 'she who must be obeyed' is summoning me to go shopping - speak again soon. Cheers.

I really feel sorry for feminists. They are living in an artifical world of ther making-- I think some call it a goldfish bowl. Women have always being in charge. That is about 30% of the alpha females and with the help of about 20% high performing males to do much of the dirty work. That"s nature, which is there for all to see.

o sung wu,

I imagine the crime on public transport is usually down to the same offenders the police visit in their homes every week as almost a routine.

You could map the routes and times. For a start, they wouldn't be using public transport to go to work.

Why must we the honest citizens, continually have to change what we do and live behind security screens so these ferals can roam free, and be paid by our taxes to do so? Honestly, put the vandals and violent mongrels to work cleaning the verges of country roads with warders on horseback to make sure they get the work done. Have them grow and prepare their own food and clean their own camp. They avoid work and responsibility, so give them some to be going with.

There are many good things that came with the feminist movement. I won't get into the definition of a feminist as I have long ago forgotten what that is and it means different things to different people. To some it clearly means world domination.

Women were once told not only via societal expectations but their priests that they had to endure constant beatings until some feminist decided that women do not deserve to be beaten or to be treated as property and built the first women's shelter, and before that, some feminist fought for the vote.

Don't be too hard on feminism. What irks about some aspects of modern feminism is it has become as dictatorial as the claims about the patriarchy to some extent. That is, dictating to other women how they should live their lives, what choices have value, which female centred activities deserve funding etc. Feminism like the patriarchy suffers from exclusivity rather than inclusivity, even considering it's origin of righting wrongs.

Governments are best when they provide frameworks that allow for choices based on varying beliefs and values without socially engineering outcomes for some economic imperative which implies a judgement.

I can't help think that people who think only women break up relationships based on their own limited experiences, thus branding women the same are no different to the feminsts they lament. When women categorise men in the same way verbal wars break out. Men also do bad things. Shouldn't we all be about what individuals do, what people do, rather than stick with the same gender stereotypes. Debates about feminism that revert into 'women do this', 'men do that' really don't serve any useful purpose.