Re: “to begin the transition of Oz to a lower fossil fuel economy”

Indy:

>> they didn't say that at first <<

Yes they did, it was a major policy announcement. It irked media shock-jocks so much that the likes of Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones twisted and distorted it by spruiking “the tax” will have no impact on reducing global temperatures. Well of course it wouldn’t, the government never said it would, scientists never said it would.

What the government did say (amongst other things) was it would help limit the increase in global temperatures (in the long term) by moving towards an economy less reliant on fossil fuels (it will take decades to do this, but you have to start sometime).

>> If they were serious about reducing emission than surely it'd make more sense to reduce tax for every bit of emission reduced rather than charge tax & maintain the emission ? After all isn't a reduction that is the key argument ? <<

Indy, the tax on the big emitters is reduced by them lowering their emmissions.

Did you not get/read the information pack in your letter box?

This may help:

http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/clean-energy-future/top-10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-carbon-price/

What irks me is that the government has to subsidise the 'fossil fuel industry' to the tune of one billion dollars per year just to have them support the 'tax' - hypocritical from both sides.

individual,

I was criticising your habit of labelling your opponents as uneducated or morons.

Hasbeen,

Just about everything you spout, I find either irksome or grotesque.

Here's a reasonable article on carbon tax.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/breaking-the-logjam/2013/03/02/5ba20090-81ed-11e2-8074-b26a871b165a_story.html

With ideas from this:

http://www.hamiltonproject.org/files/downloads_and_links/THP_15WaysFedBudget_Prop11.pdf

I was criticising your habit of labelling your opponents as uneducated or morons.
Poirot,
I don't see them as opponents, I see them as a huge handicap to Australia's future.
i.e. people who think they know but they don't so therefore anyone who does have some inkling, particularly from experience rather than mere education, is treated as a village idiot.
You have to accept that education, particularly in Australia, is not what it's made out to be.
It leaves a hell of a lot to be desired as it has a very long way to catch to practical sense.

qanda,
If you believe what's in that link then you'll believe anything.

Ok indy, I'm wasting my time - I wish you well.

Ok indy, I'm wasting my time
qanda,
only today the PM argued how Abbott will pay for for for social services if he removed the Carbon Tax. I can't quite read a real focus on reducing emission in that.

Poirot let me assure you, the feeling is entirely mutual.

Originally I thought you were intelligent, just lacking in understanding on a few things. However the more I see of your posts, the more I realise that information or knowledge will have no effect on your thinking.

Your references give no logical reason to tax carbon, just their ideas on how to spend the revenue. This is typical lefty thinking. You & your lefty mates believe you can spend our money better than us.

Well you have demonstrated you can throw it away on crazy schemes, quicker than any drunken sailor, but not that you have any idea worth having.

I have told you that public transport is inefficient, & produces more CO2, [not pollution] than the private car. Obviously you tried & failed to find an argument against this fact, so you call me irksome or grotesque. I guess it is hard to see your long term faith trashed, but that's what happens when you hang your hat on dogma.

Try coming out into the real world, where theories have to stack up against the facts to be believed.

Just to spoil your day a little more, look at what the left leaning mainstream media in Germany is finally saying about the global warming scam. It is even headed for an outlet near you, some time very soon. I hope you enjoy.