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SOG,

The explanation of "where the carbon tax goes to" is easily found on the internet if you are really interested - it's not that difficult to look it up yourself.

The carbon tax (moving into an ETS) will help reduce Australia’s GHG emissions, but not for the simplistic reason of reducing global temperatures. Stabilisation and reduction in GHG emissions won’t happen for decades but societies across the world (including Australia) really do need to move towards more environmentally sustainable energy sources (including renewables and 4th Gen nuclear, imho) and advanced management practices. That is not the same as saying the oil, coal and gas (fossil fuels) industry will collapse as was asserted before the tax.

The Australian government (not sure about the Opposition under Tony ‘it’s crap’ Abbott) and most (if not all) member states of the UNFCCC, and all scientific academies and institutions on the planet, and the vast majority of scientists that understand the science – have made their position on climate change known ... we have to adapt to a warmer and wetter world.

The aim underpinning the carbon tax is to help limit average global warming to 2 – 3 degrees C by 2100. The aim is NOT to reduce global warming (we can’t) as both you and warmair seem to think. It is a nuanced distinction both you and he seem to have difficulty in understanding, exemplified in his first post and continued with your subsequent reply/s.

I don't always agree with Belly, but in this respect I do.
Posted by qanda, Thursday, 28 February 2013 7:55:24 AM
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AGW is not the worse problem the world is facing.
First, there has been no warming for 17 years, (IPCC).
Second, how will we feed 7 + billion people on a decreasing energy regime ?
Those that shout "Alternative Energy", meaning wind & solar have no
idea of the scale of the problem.

Fix this problem, and you won't have to worry about AGW anyway.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:02:29 AM
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It is my opinion that all the global issues facing mankind center around the need for sustainability of the world population. Unless we come to terms with population growth there is no chance for the vast majority to enjoy anything like a reasonable life.
The following site explains the whole argument.

http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:48:59 AM
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Sonofgloin
To the best of my knowledge the carbon tax has been responsible for a reduction of over 8% in CO2 emissions since its introduction.
The point is not what effect that small reduction will have on global temperatures it is the fact that we have to start now, to get emissions down by 90% by the year 2050, which is generally agreed to be the deadline. The longer we delay the more expensive it will be to make the transition to a low carbon economy.

Qanda
The point I was trying to make was that the liberals want to remove the carbon tax and go back to business as usual. Their direct action plan is nothing more than a sop to the conservationists. I am well aware of the fact that the carbon tax has some serious flaws in it, but a least is a start, and is actually working, we really can not afford to waste any more time prognosticating.
If I gave the impression that I thought the carbon tax would reduce global temperatures now it was not my intention or belief.
Posted by warmair, Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:58:42 AM
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Well well, the vice chancellors have finally realised the lefties are gone. They are getting worried about a sensible government, & what it might do to the cash cow of global warming money.

So the word has gone out to all those who depend on that immoral flow of tax payer cash for their grants, or the crumbs of those grants funding their mostly useless lives, to get out there & push the fraud, harder & longer.

I sure hope Tony does the right thing by the people of Oz, & gets all these gravy train riders off our backs, & into some productive work for a change.

Hell, I've even got some old picks & shovels I'll donate to the cause of getting these people into a line of work more suited to their talents.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:11:53 AM
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First it was Global warming but now it is Climate Change? That says it all, the name/scare will change again as all the hangers on, hang on! Climate changes over hundreds of years but politicians (especially the global warming drones) look at the now. They always create a "We are all going to die" scare, was it ever any different.
I am 65 years old not scared, voting Lib go Tony Abbott!
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:27:02 AM
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