Typo, para should read,

<The 'sexism' and 'misogyny' cudgels (or is that handbags?) have become blunted since Timoy's blunder, where the world's greatest expert on sexism and misogyny obviously ruled through her own inaction that maybe she has been a tad harsh in her criticism of others in the recent past>

You are missing the point of this thread.pelican,
I think you're the one who is not getting the point as a whole. Labor, Liberal, Green or Pink, they all get too much of a share from our tax dollar for what ? Nothing! That's what.
To describe a high ranking incompetent who cost us several million dollars as brave is missing the point. The point of sense that is. To put Roxon onto that pedestal is the height of ignorance.

Oh come off it guys I think the OP makes up what the point is.

'any one person no matter what their position in life is responsible for the public relations and promulgation of any cause through their personal choices.'

Also that men get lauded for their commitment to family, whereas women are letting the sisterhood down in the same situation. Though I still reckon it's just the latest euphemism to fill in time at press conferences.

Otokonoko,

We are in agreeance. Apparently that's not actually a word though. Anyway I wrote a whole OP on whether many would have what it takes to run the baby kissing gauntlet, and was shot down as expected by the cynical mob that I normally join.

My point was that they are actually people, and the job isn't as easy as it looks. The rewards probably reflect that, as who would do it if it wasn't a chance to get a scam pension.

Suze,

'Nicola Roxon started her parliamentary career as a single woman, but has since married and had a child, so she made a decision to step away from such a time consuming job. '

Eminently sensible. It really pisses the sisterhood off though. They want young girls to see that it can be done, or that the hubby should be the primary carer. REGARDLESS of what the woman actually wants. ie it's not really about choice at all, especially if women keep making the 'wrong' choices.

I'm sure I'd be considered old fashioned, but I am dead sure if men en-masse decided they quite liked being the primary carer, there would be a lot of very unhappy women.

When it comes to the crunch, generally, women still chose that role, and more importantly, think they have a right to first dibs. Which is perhaps fair enough after carrying a baby for 9 months.

Feminist propaganda is that men just wont let them and refuse to take on the carer role, and if they would then that would make women 'truly' happy and fulfilled.

I like this new Emily's list BTW. It reminds me of the Masons, and also the the Brethren. I remember the rodent and his secret communiques with the Brethren. It all sounded really exciting.

I wonder if they have a secret hand shake. It reminds me of Schindler's list too.

Cracks me up that feminists have rallied against male colleagues daring to play golf together for so long, but are totally cool when it comes to women having a secret little club.

This responsibility and self actualisation stuff is complicated.

"I'm sure I'd be considered old fashioned, but I am dead sure if men en-masse decided they quite liked being the primary carer, there would be a lot of very unhappy women."

Sidesteps the point that regardless of what men en masse decide there will always be a lot of very unhappy women...

Of course there are those who just wish women would make up their minds as to what they want and stick to it -- so that men know what they're left with and can stop guessing all the time.

Everybody won't be happy until we get this parthenogenesis thing sorted out for humans.

But I'm not insensitive and can understand carrying a baby for 9 months makes a woman fufilled and that postpartum she's left feeling empty.

Oh Trev you do have a talent. You just do it for me.

'so that men know what they're left with and can stop guessing all the time.'

That's what I argue to my feminist friend. She laments the sidelining of her career, and says women should be able to have it all etc etc (I actually add yada yada blah blah in my head I must admit)

But men's 'choice' actually happens AFTER women's choice I tell her. She decides whether she will go back to work, is thinking to herself what terms would suit her, and then envisages her husband fitting in with whatever arrangement she decides would suit her best, all the while feeling a tad sorry for herself and thinking women are hard done by.

For some reason she gets a bit shirty when I mention the husband might be interested in some 'choice' too!

Women have more flexibility and choice in the workplace, but are the ones looking for 'equality' and more flexibility.

Women hold the choice with abortions and better contraception, and are screaming about 'reproductive rights'.

You're right Trev, I don't think 'women' (or Feminists really) can ever be happy. More fool us for trying to placate them I suppose.

It seems men are brought up to accept they have no choice, work, do what it takes, accept the limitations, and suck it up. In fact they fear choice I reckon.

Women think they want choice yet they seem particularly upset when they get it.

Men don't seem to change friends, haircuts, clothes, any of their likes once they pass 30. They 'decorate' their house with a TV and stereo and a few trusty items and then that's it. Women are always changing their hair and clothes and friends and are always on the lookout to renovate and buy new cushions.

Is it any wonder women initiate all the divorces. They're a bunch of malcontents:-)