Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick have published a book and produced a ten part movie series entitled ' The Untold History of the United States'
http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/ Here you will see Oliver and Peter being interviewed by Abbey Martin.The dialogue is also all in print.

Peter and Oliver argue that our society with the conditioning of the media have short attention spans and make no connection with the truth in our history and the realities that are happening now.

Abbey Martin," The United States of Amnesia"

Peter Kuznick," If people don't understand their history,they have no vision for the future."

Oliver Stone." There are 1.7 billion messages per day intercepted by our intelligence sources.The US today spends as much on Military Intelligence as the rest of the world.We are ultimately watching ourselves in an Orwellian State."

So put some pressure on our ABC to air this ten part series by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.

To put in bluntly America is now a "police state" under the disguise of democracy.

Regrettably Australia follows America.

Dumb and Dumber.

I've been waiting a long time for the Hollywood people to have the courage to make a stand and finally a giant amongst our story tellers does it.Well done Oliver Stone.

Not even people within my own family will believe how oppressive and dangerous our govts have become,yet when they see it portrayed on the big screen by the likes of Oliver Stone,the reality starts to sink in.

This demonstrates how conditioned people have become by the popular media.They are incapable of original thought and won't accept that their Govts can be so devious and ruthless.It is called cognitative dissonance,whereby our emotional attachments over ride logical thought.We don't want our comfortable world interrupted by unpleasant realities.

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Oh they probably believe it, Arjay. They just don't want to know about it. People hate change and if they're alright jack then screw everyone else. It's their own fault for not being alright too.

I was just thinking about making a post about: At what point do people think their government is tyrannous?

I think the US is way past that point but fools here will tell you we live in the 21st century and that doesn't happen anymore. What a joke!

The gun debate has woken many to this fact I feel. This is not going to go down well for all of us!

Don't give up Rawmustard.Send an email or letter to the ABC and ask them to air this series.It took them almost 5 yrs to produce so it is worthwhile.

The ABC is a waist of breath, Arjay. If it's that good and that enlightening, it will be all over the torrent sites before you know it, where all those that actually care will see it.

Those that watch the ABC will just pontificate till our ears bleed and nothing will change!

Hey,Rawmustard,I'm part to the 911truth movement and we did 3 protests outside of the ABC Studios in Sydney.They were really pissed off and told their staff not to take our info.I know what they are like but this series is not so in your face as http://www.ae911truth.org/. If enough people pressure them,we have a chance.

The BBC showed Bill Still's 'Secret of Oz' which laid bare the bankster criminality.

Never give up.

You don't get it, Arjay. It's not the ABC you need to worry about. It's the latte sippers and lefties that watch it that are the problem!

I haven't given up, Arjay. I've been doing more than most for the past 15 years to kill the system. Stop feeding the beast that will eat your children. Learn new skills and become self sufficient. Don't give your energy to the system. The system will die without all that productivity you carry on about all the time. As Michael Jacson Sang, look at the man in the mirror. Be the change you want to see happen. If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at your self and make the change!

They can't do nothing if you don't let them. The best way to stop the beast is not give it the ultimate energy source, Your capacity to expend your own energy, your thoughts, your soul!

Your pitiful protest on a broadcasting network achieved nothing but make you look foolish. It's exactly what they want you to do. They know your wasting your time. Time you could be spending setting yourself up to stop feeding the parasite!

Try it, Arjay. It's the most rewarding lifestyle you can imagine. We're a clever bunch us humans. We just need to learn how to fight the good fight!

Rawmustard,In a world that is totally controlled by a few banks and oil cartels, how do we,as you suggest,switch off and become totally autonomous?

In the current eonomic climate that is impossible unless we go back to being primative nomads.Most of them did not reach 40.

It is cheap energy and technology which enables this present discourse.

Either we confront our oppressors or face oblivion.

Not so, Arjay. We've had years of training, our forefathers gave us the knowledge we need. I'm 80% Self sufficient in a city suburb. I've got a bit more work to do, I hope to be 100% self sufficient in a couple of years.

We don't lack anything, in fact our house is like the starship enterprise. We have a central computer system that monitors everything, lights, power, water, irrigation, energy levels, heating, cooling. We have all the mod cons all built by myself and programmed by myself. I'm in the middle of building a new solar heating, cooling, power system, that will give us more than we need. All self running and maintaining. We produce 75% of our food, what we don't produce, some of our friends do, so we trade.

I paid cash for my house, I don't owe anyone any money, what I need I get as gifts as I give a lot to others because I have the skills. Skills I honed through years of practice instead of wasting my time watching crap on the idiot box. We do have an idiot box, in fact we have three 50 in plasmas in the house. But we don't watch solarium burnt tarts from bondi on them, we watch interesting informative things, and a few good movies.

We have many similar minded friends that all pitch in and we help them in return. We live better than most and have a great deal of fun doing it. Life is wonderful and we give nothing to the parasites, that's the best part!

And the best thing is, you can do it all and still be above the law, which just grates on some :)

Sure, somethings are unavoidable, like council taxes. But they are manageable to date and provide some basic services. The good with the bad and that sort of thing. When they become unbearable, is when all will suffer and that's when they will feel the wrath for their criminal behavior!

With current day technology, it's very doable. We miss nothing!

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Their is abundant cheap energy for the taking in Australia, Arjay. You just need to learn how to harvest it! it's doable, stop looking at the current system and think outside the box. Stop reading the crap on this forum which tells you you it can't be done. Stop thinking big, start thinking you and your family. Then you'll see plenty of energy for your own needs. Stop thinking about expending your energy for the parasites! They're sucking it all out of you!

Start thinking what your life means to you and your family. Stop thinking you need to contribute to the collective, they'll just take everything you have and leave you with nothing!

One more thing. Stop wasting your energy on trying to fight the system. Expend your energy to bypass the system. They are Luddite, power hungry, tyrannical parasites. You cannot reason with them. They need to dye like the dodo!

The best thing for you to do is use your knowledge and passion to leave them behind, you can do it, I have faith in you!

I can accept your attitude RM as long as you can put your hand on your heart and say you take absolutely nothing we parasites have to offer, such as hospitals, education, roads, defense, power transmission (in or out), welfare payments, etc, etc.

Instead of bunkering down, why not get politically involved and help forge the changes you seek?

Because it's past that point, Luciferase. I help people that are willing to help me and themselves. I don't help people that connive, scam whatever they can at the expense of others which is what our society is today. And yes I can put my hand on my heart and say I have never and don't take from the system. I've given more than my fair share! I had a very successful business employing over a 100 people for over 15 years. But the parasites tried to suck me dry. They took above their fair share and still wanted more. No more!

The system is screwed and you all know it. It's only a matter of time before the parasites become violent to maintain their addiction, in fact it's already started. If you can't see that, then I pity you and I wish you good luck. If you ever need a feed I will be more than happy to oblige and I do it often but don't try to steal from me! From when I was at school I could see it wasn't right. Humanity was going in the wrong direction perpetuated by greed, self importance and hedonism.

It's not the world I want to live in and it's certainly not the world I will help perpetuate.

Getting involved in politics would place me on the same level as those that I despise and who are only in it for themselves. I cannot and will not try to persuade tyrannical, despotic, blind fools!

Some of us are above that, and we live very comfortable lives. Why should we give to a system that offers nothing of value in return and is on a road to ruin?

The things you value that you wrote in your post would have been available and were always available despite the parasites. They use those things to fool you and steal your energy for themselves. Wake up and smell the roses, they smell so sweet on my side of the fence.

You cannot fix this system, it's geared to sabo you at every turn!

Senator John Madigan has a bill prepared to take power away from our pollies and return it to the people. http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/restore-power/#FSContact4

So read the bill and support it if you agree.

Arjay,
It will be interesting to see how this pans out - if ever.

Once you realise that our entire culture plus the way we see the world has been programmed into us via television and Hollywood it's apparent that there are powerful vested interests at work.

This imaginary world with its good-guys and bad-guys and what is happening out there is straight out of "1984" and "Brave New World".
The only way to control a vast "free" society is via some sort of a Police State or to seriously limit individual freedoms.

When the US Arms industry invests heavily in the media, what chance will the US (and indeed, we) have of reading the whole truth about whatever conflicts they are involved in at any time?

The sad part is that people don't want their view of the world challenged. They want to be the good guys, fighting a noble fight to shape the world into some sort of utopia where everybody thinks and looks as they do and will resist anything that disputes that view.
It's the same thing in every society. Replace the Nazis with the Communists and the Communists with Muslims and the dance goes on.

Anything they don't wish to hear will be shouted down and dismissed - true or not - but if only 10% of the "crackpot" theories pan out to be true, what does that say about the phoniness of the remaining 90%.

I recall that fellow filmaker Aaron Russo had some interesting comments to make about the Rockerfellers , RFID implants and a few other things but that went nowhere so I wouldn't be holding my breath for Stone & Co to come up with anything significant in the current climate.

Wobbs and RM, a load of truisms in your thoughts. Apart from a revolution and real wealth distribution we are like a train....we run down the tracks they lay and the tracks lead to their coffers.

Yes Wobbles Aaron Russo died a short while ago.He knew one of the Rockerfellers personally.They want to bring in a totalitarian state whereby only the super wealthy will have any freedom.

The FEMA centres are real.HR645.There is just conjecture on exactly how many there are.Some say 800 with the capacity to process 20,000 people each.As Oliver Stone says Obama has been worse that Bush in many ways because the left did not question his destruction of their constitution.

The NDAA allows the military to detain anyone they like in the West and jail them without legal rep or due process of law.It is really scary and no one questions it.

The elites have always considered us to be just another animal.With all these environmental scares, we have now become expendable.Every day we are warned how over populated the world is and how humans are threatening the existance of the planet.With robotics they will need less human labour thus we hear from the likes of Maurice Strong and Obama's John Holdren how they'd like to reduce the pop by 90%.We are a blight on their planet.

They have all the bio-weapons at the ready and are trying to control the food supply.They also control the money supply and most of the oil.It really does not look good for ordinary folk.

Hi Arjay.

I read this: http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/restore-power/#FSContact4

It's all wonderful and all, but where do the people get the upper hand on a rogue government? I know the plebs (Not a good way to describe sovereign citizens by the way! I don't consider myself a commoner, do you?) can initiate a referendum, but if a rogue leader is in place and has set himself up and just refuses to comply. What means do we have of disposing him? Where's our right to be equal and have the same ultimate power as the state? After all we are the masters not the ones we install to represent us!

It also carries on about the right of self defense and of property, but grants us no tools to carry out this right, do you think this is ok?

Rawmustard well some are at least trying.We may well have total economic/social collapse before we see real change.

It is very difficult for Obama to conduct wars of imperialism and have unrest at home.That's why he needs gun control.

Being independant is good but this rising fascism in the West will affect everyone.The people have always had the power but lack the awareness and co-ordination to effect change.

John Madigan also wants banking reform and that I endorse also.

Arjay,

I think you're living in false hope of things fixing themselves.
It's always been this way, it's just that some people are more aware of more things - many of which are probably untrue anyway.

The system as it stands can't be "fixed", it has to be rebuilt from the ashes of the old one when (or if) it finally collapses.

I'm not talking about or advocated any sort of "revolution" and I can't see any uprisings in the West - not while everybody is being fed and has shiny toys to play with.

However, if the US suddenly loses it's international oil dollar status its economy could conceivably collapse withing a matter of months, if not weeks. 80% of its total oil consumption is used domestically transporting food between processing and distribution centres and if they can't use their dollars to buy oil then people will start going hungry for the first time in their lives.
Imagine a lot of unemployed (and heavily armed) Americans - softened since the depression years and facing that situation.

I think there would be a change in currency or international bail-outs before we ever see that scenario.There's no real profit in local disputes, only in foreign ones.

Failing some sort of global catastrophe, like a stray asteroid strike or global pandemic I think it will be business as usual for a very long time yet.

RM and Wobbles.Things won't fix themselves.Change will only come from the people.Our apathy,ignorance and fatalistic attitudes are a major source of that problem.

I probably won't see real change in my life time but like to think that our children will.

That's because you're trying to fight and change a system that's been designed to thwart any attempt you make to change it.

The apathy,ignorance and fatalistic attitudes you see are a way for you to explain away your own blindness to the problem. These people are doing exactly what they want to do, they are the system. They don't want to change it. For them it's fine just the way it is.

The revolution you seek is in your own heart and mind. As I said to you before. Look in the mirror, determine what you want from life and just do it! Leave them behind for you're greater than them. The change you seek will only come by doing it yourself and set the example!

The means for you to do this are more available today then ever in our history. Pick up those tools and get to work buddy. You've got a lot of work ahead of you if you want your children to have a better world!

Stop expending your energy trying to fight blind, despotic, tyrannical, fools that will sabo you at every turn! Take the Red pill!

For an example of why you can't fix it, Arjay. Here's a couple of excellent links to show you.

Read the Article here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/farce-must-go-senate-suddenly-furious-eric-holder-allowing-banks-become-too-big-jail#comments

Then read the comments and in particular read this one!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/farce-must-go-senate-suddenly-furious-eric-holder-allowing-banks-become-too-big-jail#comment-3198044

Now tell me you have a hope in hell of changing the system!

RM ,I know all about "Too big to jail." Max Keiser is on their case every day.

I don't think we have a choice but to fight it because we are looking at total enslavement.Do you want to see your children with an RFID chip and have no rights at all? Robotics are making our labour useless to them and thus they refer to us as "The usless eaters".

De-population of the planet is one of their primary objectives.That gulag for us all may not be too far away.We would have to be fools to think what Hitler did, would never happen again.

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This may happen in some 3rd world societies, Arjay because the people are totally uneducated and ignorant. But I don't think this would go down too well in western society. We'd be in total war berfore that happened. In which case all your protesting would be in vain anyway. And you would have expended and waisted an extreme amount of energy and time instead of preparing yourself mentaly and physically to cope with the hardships that would prevail.

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Robotics are a great way to prepare yourself for your later life when the money and cheap energy runs out and sh!t isn't as easy to come by. Robotics are part of human life now, Arjay. Are you suggesting they're evil and we shouldn't use them? They already play a major part in helping me be independant from the parasites!

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I've often read about this on all manor of forums including this one. The problem I see with it is the same as above. By the time this comes around, Arjay. There's not a lot you can do to stop it. Well be at war and the same prevailing hardships will cause you to be ill equipt to deal with them because you waisted all that energy fighting a system most do not want to help you fight!

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I agree that this could happen again and is already happening in some countries. But like I stated above. Only the ignorant and uneducated will be the ones with the bullet holes in the back of their skulls, perhaps some from people that aren't even the ones doing the genocide. Expending your energy to feed a system that you think is capable of these atrocites is not the smartest move. Expending your energy to create a more independant, sustanable, life away from the shackles of the parasites for yourself and your family together with like minded friends and setting an example will prepaire you the best should any of your fears come to fruition. And if they don't, your're well on the way to showing the rest of society how it's supposed to be done if they want a better world for theselves and their offspring!

I'm saying to you not to try at all, Arjay, hell I do a small bit myself when the opportunity arises, but don't obsess on it. Education for yourself and others who are willing to listen and leading by example will change this world, Arjay. Don't be like most and wait around for someone else to fire the first shot. Get out and start loading your magazine, metaphorically speaking. Start doing, changing the world without them!

RM we cannot change anything without a fundamental change in our constitution that removes the power that our Oligarchs have over us.

The USA used to have a magnificant Constitution but Obama has been the most powerful instrument in it's destruction.As Oliver Stone pointed out, Obama has codified in law all of George Bush's worst intentions.

Survival of the planet does not usurp human freedoms.There are plenty of planets in this universe and freedom to create or love,surpasses all need to survive at any cost.That reality is missed by our Elite self indulgent morons.

How is a piece of paper going to protect from this mob, Arjay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-GwqLgnIWI

It's these guys who are a threat to every living person on the planet. They don't care about pieces of paper written by common folk.

I'm sure you know that our pollies have already sold us out to these thugs!

RM,there is no way Obama is going to take all the guns from the citizens of the USA.They have over 200 million they know about and probably 100 million they don't know about.Congress has a 5% approval rating.

How many people are in the armed services who are willing to gun down their own people?

This is why the elites are in panic mode and seek war as an escape from their own people and maintain their imperialistic objectives.