"Always the spiteful gender kicker against men."

onthebeach
How so? This was not a comment against men and is an oversensitive reaction on your part IMO. By contrast I note no chiding from you about runner's comment blaming mothers for not teaching their daughters 'not to get drunk and go off with strange men' (not to mention the fact that if using the same logic, Fathers should perhaps teach their sons not to rape women particularly drunk ones who are not in a position to consent). By interpretation clearly runner thinks drunk women are to blame in a rape case and the perpetrator is blameless. "She deserved it" is still a big defence response against women and frankly it is an appalling reflection of attitudes.

It is natural to be blinkered towards one's gender as we all have only experienced life only from a male or female POV but we should all be aware of this in our analysis of these senstive issues.

But the fact is most judges who have made ridiculous statements about rape victims (including the recent male judge who declared some women like rape) have been men. I used the phrase 'mainly male judges' because there may have been some female judges that I am not aware of with a similar mindset but at posting I could not think of any women judges who have made anti-women judgements. The case in Nth QLD Indigenous community was such a case, you are right.

Surely it is not an indictment against all men to point out poor judicial decisons and judgements otherwise we may as well all shut up and not say the truth about anything lest we offend someone.

pelican,

That is a load of self-justifying, disingenuous rationalisation. All of it could be directed back at you.

You didn't have to direct your criticism at male judges, just judges.

suseonline, "so all the poor, delicate loves that find bare breasts offensive should just avoid ogling them and all girlie magazines and girlie bars as well.."

The delicate loves you refer to are women. The stereotypical 'Everyman' of your young gay executive producers is scripted to make truly dumb-ass remarks to garner an audience -predominately women- on slow news days.

Honestly, doesn't anyone understand how a TV show works. Or more likely doesn't it matter because it is dumbed down to an audience who get their adrenaline from getting faux shocked, and angry, "Oh, I never...." and "Scratch him to death..".

Isn't Everyman Koch lucky to have such wonderful, wise and emotionally mature womyn like 'gorgeous', 'beauuuutiful' Mel to scoff at him and scold? Just like the popular "Mere Male" column of a women's magazine, but faux reality and nasty.

Who watches that pap? Women do. But some would like something better that doesn't do their head in.

Poirot we can not hide from it, men and women are different.
And for most of our lives we are addicted to one another.
We also fight, never know why, over silly things, usually not related to what we are truly upset with.
A thought, both sexes have sluts, men and women.
I do not talk of most who may have many partners but the extremes, getting close to the norm.
I can say men who best earn that name, are best kept away from, unless you are only playing, women too.
You can not expect honesty trust or faithfulness ever from them.
Now most will agree with me.
Why then will they not do so if I say some women should be careful how and when they breast feed?

Belly,

I agree with most of your post - but what's it got to do with nourishing a baby?

As in why should women have to "be careful" in how and when they breastfeed?

And what is the connection between providing nourishment for an infant and the fact that some men and women are sexually promiscuous?

onthebeach
What an inappropirate response. It is mainly male judges who make these disparaging remarks about women. You are new on here and I haven't been here for a while,only on and off but I am often in there defending men in various threads if you care to wade through the history.

In this case I stand by my words. If we don't examine as a culture why male judges still hold some of these views we fail everybody including men who may one day be falsely accused of a crime. Truth counts in everything and benefits everyone. Nothing to do with feminism but humanism.

I rarely see people like you defending women when there are broad generalisations made so it is somewhat hypocritial and disingenuous of you to take the 'offended' stance. In the case of judges it was not a generalisation about men but male judges, and then only 'some'.

You have to read what is being said rather than cherrypick the bits you think offensive to men. The point of my post was obviously lost on you.

So be it. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.