Not sure why I return.
Seems the point scoring has taken the idea I had and choked it.
RObert is trying to debate the issue in another thread, may be worth a look.
The subject,must receive attention from both sides of politics.
I remain convinced one side will give too much.
The other take too much.
Middle Australia deserves better.

Belly on this forum you make more comebacks than Dame Nelly Melba.

SM you jumped in with "you've (Paul) openned your mouth without engaging your brain."
If you don't want to take my word that a family with a combined income over $150k p/a can still get family benefits just go to the Australian Government Department of Human Services web site and check for yourself.
What are you the Shadow Minister for Potted Plants!
p/s Have a look at Australian history and see how often members of the Liberal Party have opened their mouth without engaging their brain." on a whole range of issues both internal and external. A party of fools no less and they have the hide to attack The Greens.
Can you tell me where the founding father of the Liberal Party Pig Iron Bob Menzies got the tag from? You wont know so I will tell you. He sanctioned the sale of Australian pig iron to Japan prior to WWII. When warned of the dangers of this action he retorted: "The Japanese are only use the iron to manufacture toys." February 1942 saw Menzies Japaneses "toys" raining down on Darwin killing Australians. It was all downhill for the Liberal Party from that point on. Here it is 2013 and they haven't improved.

You, at least this once Paul are right.
I think the thread, even if I started it has run its course.
And recommend the one RObert has started.
But before leaving again highlight, as shown by the hen house squabble between Paul, a green, and super conservative SM.
One side wants to give too much the other wants to reward those who need no help.
Poor fella my country.
We need leadership and need it badly.
Not enough come to the debate ready to find change that all can live with.