Any one else notice? an increasingly strident voice from this mob.
Our senile old Aunt in search 0of a story again targeted live animal exports last night.
Behind the story? RSPCA.
Have Vegans gained more than a foothold here?
Well my donations of canned food and occasional bagged, to that bin in Coles has stopped, forever.
Any 0ne care those animals may not have been ours?
Or than the film may be months old.
RSPCA is looking shaky in my view.

organizations that mostly rely on donations from time to time when money is low need to make an IMPACT to show they are doing something positive and therefore need your money.

Belly, are you suggesting that only Vegans and RSPCA staff are unhappy with cruelty to animals?

I enjoy a good steak, support the RSPCA , and love animals.
I won't stand by and watch any animal being cruelly treated....

Clearly I am talking about the latest cruelty to animals story.
Yet again the RSPCA sounds like Lyn White.
So far we have found out,after the ABC showed its film.
The cattle may not have been Australian.
The film may be old,long before actions began to fix past problems.
I do not support animal cruelty, very few do.
Not farmers who are proud of the stock they sell.
But RSPCA are using radical words and actions much more than ever before.
On being informed of actions our government and the live meat export agency has taken.
And that Israel police have been asked to investigate this matter, RSPCA launched in with heated shouting style words
How hard would it be?
After all who of us could walk in to such workplaces and film?
And joining the RSPCA would be easy.

The animal rights movements would shudder at being likened to the RSPCA Belly. They have been bemoaning their inaction for years on many issues like caged hens.

Suze is right, it is not only vegans and vegos who care about the humane treatment of animals and some of what industrialised nations do to their animals is awful. Basically if you are a meat eater an animal has to die but humans are higher order thinkers (supposedley) and we have it in our power to underatke the process as humanely as is possible.

It's about time the RSPCA spoke more stridently about animal cruelty.

And it is possible to care for humans and animals at the same time.

The thing is Pelican, at the moment the animal liberation movement are riding on the back of the animal welfare movement, to try and promote their own agenda. The two are quite separate and need to be kept separate. The result is much propaganda and misinformation and they don't really want to discuss these things either, but just use the social media to shock people and to take their donations.

I have no problem with animal welfare and improving it. But I do have a problem when farmers are called scum and all the rest, because they are seemingly evil for farming livestock, even if its humane and free range. These people accuse us of "murdering sentient beings" which is against their ethics and they would do anything to stop livestock farming and the eating of meat, altogether. Its like a cult.

Sorry, but the food chain exists and its part of the laws of nature. If herivores breed and nothing controls the numbers, they land up starving to death on masse. So the vegans are trying to go against what is basic biology, hardly rational. I have actually put forward rational and logical ways of improving animal welfare in the third world, at no extra cost to taxpayers. They are not interested.

The once respected RSPCA is one of the most disgusting organisations in Oz.

They have twice in my area turned up, media in tow, to pull one of their money raising raids on true animal lovers, trying to help horses unwanted by their owners. These people were straining their finances to try to help, & should have been praised.

Obviously they are conspiring with TV stations to falsely accuse these people, for no other reason than they want to con donations out those not smart enough to see they are being manipulated.

Conspiracy is a serious charge, & should be applied to all who do it, including the RSPCA & Greenpeace.

The ASPCA, & the Red Cross, who misappropriated millions donated for the Brisbane flood appeal, to other causes, [probably their salaries] have both been advised by a few of us, to keep their collectors out of our road, as our dogs don't like them.

Belly,
I no longer donate to the RSPCA either. Nor other animal rights organizations or Greenpeace. I saw what these greenies types did on the south coast NSW, smashing valuable machinary and driving steel spikes into trees deliberaly endangering the lives of timber workers.

Not only is the RSPCA getting more radical but you may find they are partly government funded as well. They certainly have legislated powers that ordinary folk do not posses and some refer to them as gestapo.

I am pleased to have some support here.
Just as concerned about animal welfare as any one.
But seems few saw the 7.30 report that bought my thread to life.
ONCE the RSPCA was a well respected group, no longer.
It is the tool of the more radical.
First who took this film?
Why is it not dated.
Are the cattle Australian.
Is it true the new legislation stops such cruelty?
Are City dwellers aware how hard it is to make a living in the mostly remote cattle areas?
I KNOW, we will see demands for setting killing places here, exporting meat not animals.
I too know, that comes from the totally uninformed.
Jewish slaughter house need to kill in human ways.
So this is failure at that point.
A need exists for under standing this trade is the only income for SOME.
We could do worse than filter news reporting through a BS filter.
Media acts poorly in pursuit of headlines not truth.

Yabby there are certainly extremists in any cause but I hesitate to use them as the benchmark to measure all others including the RSPCA, who care about animal welfare. If you are talking about extremists though I reckon cruelty to animals would rate pretty high on that scale. I am sure the majority of farmers do care for their animals well but some are not as concerned with animal welfare as others. How any farmer can watch a pig confined to a stall unable is beyond comprehension. Part of the problem is mass production and maybe moving farms to smaller local markets is the way to go, such as the Polyface Farm setup run by Joel Salatin in America.

The best thing anyone can do to help animals is ethical purchases (as much as one can be sure of food provenance - I understand it is not an exact science or fulproof). Buy meat from the farm gate if you can or via farmer's market. I know this is difficult for some city dwellers but there are many good markets even in the city where growers and livestock farmers sell their products direct to the public.

Pelican, fact is that right now, vegan activists are swamping the social media and are using the RSPCA as part of their campaign to change the world. That means no livestock farming of any kind. They are also swamping politicians, in what is actually a very clever marketing campaign, full of spin and distortions. The true believers don't really notice, as their emotional buttons are pressed and no doubt, money is donated.

I have no problem with better conditions for pigs, barn laid and free range eggs, but they are about animal welfare, not animal liberation. That is no what is driving organisations like AA, which was cofounded by Peter Singer, the author of the well known "Animal Liberation"

The thing is, Ludwig's Escas system is in fact making a difference, despite the loss in sales etc. Of course its not perfect, no system is. There will always be cases where things go wrong, as was the case with the bull in the Israeli film. But that happens in Australia too. We have 60'000 cases of reported pet abuse a year and another 60'000 unwanted pets are put down by the RSPCA each year, so our noses are hardly clean.

At the moment the public are being swamped by propaganda, with Ludwig and the Labour politicians as the target. How many labour politicians even understand agriculture or the issues in WA, why we have a live trade etc, is pretty clear. They don't know. If the vegans get there way, there will be dead animals all over the country and it will be a sad state of affairs indeed.

Our noses are not clean that is for sure but this is not about who is worst. As for pets, without the RSPCA government resources would be further stretched.

I don't agree with live exports. There is no reason why meat cannot be processed here and exported. Naturally there will always be some live exports for breeding purposes but this is different to mass crowding beef cattle for consumption where conditions are less than satisfactory, distressing for the animal and causing injuries and death.

Vegans may wish to end livestock production altogether but that is another issue. Live exports is a subject of which many feel strongly about including many meat eaters. Vegans probably think that is hypocritical and they are welcome to their thoughts, but it is possible to eat meat and ensure meat is farmed and processed humanely.

Many people have agendas including farmers and beef exporters. This is no different to animal rights agendas and so far the beef exporters and farmers have held the stage. It does no harm to reconsider if what we are doing can be done better or not done at all depending on the evidence and cultural expectations. Economic considerations should not always override other important values.

I don't know, I must live in a very cloistered world of sheer oblivion because as far as I'm aware, the RSPCA are/were good people ?

In fact I've even left a percentage of my estate (in my Will) to them ? Have I been misled about their ethics and activities all this time ? I'm a dedicated animal lover, with two dogs of our own. A pure bred Labby and Kelpie, naturally they're loved to bits by my family.

One of the worst jobs I've ever had to do, in all my years in the coppers, was to destroy a German Shepherd (cross) dog, by gun shot. And I made a complete mess of it too ! And his only sin, was to live, nothing more. And I by necessity, had to shoot him. This occurred in the early 70's, and I swore I'd never do it again, whatever happened. I couldn't get the sounds he made out of my head, because I completely 'botched' the job.

Ever since, I've always supported the RSPCA. Am I an idiot ? Apparently so from what I've read in this topic.

'I enjoy a good steak, support the RSPCA , and love animals.
I won't stand by and watch any animal being cruelly treated....'
Oh so we've become the zoo keepers for the world have we. Iagree with this statement but we can't possibly stick our arrogant noses in other peoples culture. How they treat ALL their animals is on their conscience and part of their culture. Their own authorities should deal with it and we should not cut off our fat noses to spite our face, that's just political BS. Say, how a bout we make as much noise over how humans are treated in these 3rd world countries. I get pretty annoyed over people who put animals before people.

o sung, you would not support them if you saw how they operate around here.

They swooped, complete with TV crew on a couple who had taken in a few starving horses. He was feeding them as much as he could afford, & they were improving.

I don't know how much the RSPCA took in donations, from a gullible public, after the big TV "expose", probably heaps.

Our good Samaritan couple were destroyed, & had to leave the district.

Meanwhile another neighbour was filling a couple of 44 gallon drums on a car trailer, with water every couple of days, & parking it hard against his boundary fence. This was to water 4 horses next door, in a totally dry paddock. Numerous calls to the RSPCA brought no response.

It was only when one of the horses got a hoof caught in the fence, fighting over the water he got some action. That was by calling the police, who then got the RSPCA involved.

They finally took the horses, but no big TV promotion. Apparently skinny horses bring bigger donations than thirsty horses.

The true test of the worse of a charity is to see the books and calculate how much is used for charity work as opposed to how much goes to administration, salaries etc.

They are after all your employees if you give them money so you should be able to know how much goes to executive salary and percs as opposed to actual work

The following figures are from American organization but trying to find info on Australian ones are very hard or impossible.

Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the American Red Cross... salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plus expenses. Out of every dollar they bring in, about $0.39 goes to related charity causes
NOTE THAT WAS 2003 IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE NOW.

Brian Gallagher, President of the United Way receives a $375,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits. About $0.51 per dollar of income goes to charity causes.

UNICEF - CEO, receives $1,200,000 per year, (plus use of a Royal Royce for his exclusive use where ever he goes, and an expense account that is rumored to be well over $150,000.) FROM DONATIONS $0.14 per dollars goes to charity work.

World Vision President (Canada) receives $300,000 base salary, (plus supplied - a home valued in the $700,000 - $800,000 dollar value range, completely furnished, completely paid all housing expenses, including taxes, water/sewer, telephone/fax, HD/high speed cable, weekly maid service and pool/yard maintenance, fully paid private schooling for his children, upscale automobile and an $55,000 personal expense account for clothing/food, with a $125,000 business expense account) Only about $0.52 of earned income per dollar is available for charity causes

Hi there HASBEEN & PHILIP S...

Seems I have been living in a world of make believe, apropos the RSPCA ? I do understand there've been many allegations that some charities, passing-on very little of what they've gathered to the 'cause' they purport to support.

There's a particularly high profile group also running under the auspices of a Charity who get a lot of 'air-time' in relation to their activities, as well as their famous CEO speaking often on Radio and TV. As I've always stated, ad nauseam '...knowing something and proving it, are two entirely different things...'

Still, my illusions of the overall efficacy of the RSPCA, have certainly been damaged if not entirely shattered, I must reluctantly admit.

Then, who may I ask, look after the rights and needs of the animals ?

If it's not us we humans, then who ?

Cheers...Sung Wu.

*I don't agree with live exports. There is no reason why meat cannot be processed here and exported.*

Well then Pelican, feel free to go ahead and do it. Nothing prevents city people from doing exactly that. They can't rely on trading ever more expensive houses with each for a living, forever. But I've had to shoot stock and bury them because none of you could be bothered, so I am not going back to that. In times of drought etc, we need to move sheep in a hurry. Australian rules and regulations prevent us from doing that. You guys invent this stuff, not us, here on farms in WA.

o sung wo, Gday mate, in lifetimes as long as yours and mine things change.
First I made a mess in shooting a dog, 45 years ago, never again, had to do it did it right.
RSPCA is not the one of our birth.
I did you know, spend about $12 every week to put in their food bin.
Never again.
We all, should be on guard for minority infiltrating mainstream groups.
Sly and sneaky they harm the victim, RSPCA has let its self be hurt, badly.
comments by Philip S are in my view nothing to do with the problem.
Here is my honestly held view, ABC radio or TV airs any thing.
It aired this beat up, RSPCA CONSPIRED to get the air time.
Notice we are not hearing much about this? even days after it took place.
Know why? the film was taken months before the new rules came in to force, .
No evidence those cattle are ours exists.
Jewish folk like Muslims have strict religions laws.
About how a beast is killed, strict and policed.
WHY then did these folk act so badly? why in a workplace did they let it be filmed.
Did some one pay to see such awful acts? as was the case in Indonesia?
I have had many jobs in the first half of my life, including the killing yard servicing a small town,400 people.
And the Sydney one serving the world , near 50 years ago.
I would have been flogged for doing this to those cattle.
WHY was it done.
Please I want Aussie jobs but hear me, meat exports to this part of the world will not work.
Small groups bent on out comes have often manufactured such story's, RSPCA has been infiltrated.

Hi there BELLY old friend...

Seems like you and me are birds of similar plumage, except you've had the benefit of working for many different groups, with different bosses, and under varying conditions and requirements.

Consequently, you've had much more exposure and experience to many more challengers than I've had. Working for government gives you a very contrived view of many things, that only occur within the private sector.

Whereas, in the coppers everything is unequivocally spelt out for it's members, and is generally not negotiable. On most occasions certain decisions are made by those far above us, who reside in some air-conditioned office tower in the City. And we at the workface, simply and unquestionably, carry out those decisions/orders, whether we agree or disagree with them.

In the private sector, you've always got to consider job security, and not to upset the bosses. With us, sure we can certainly get dismissed, but it's a long convoluted process. And generally job security is always a given and accepted as such.

That's why many of the statements, observations, opinions, and views that you choose to share with us all, bears much merit and even eminence. Purely because of your wide vocational experience, you've enjoyed in the workforce.

Where I, have in essence, never done a days (real) toil in my entire working life ! Just the Military and the Coppers ? And in the main, mostly reactive, rather than proactive.

So there you have it ol' son, I'll always defer to your much broader level of vocational and industrial knowledge and judgement. In such complex matters of employment directives. Together with your thorough comprehension of the internal peculiarities, that impede your progress, as you're trying to navigate through the vagaries of the corporate world.

Cheers...Sung Wu.

Many Australians especially migrants would feel uncomfortable with private law enforcement groups that do not have the training nor controls of the police, but have police-like powers and can conduct surveillance on citizens and interrogate them, and enter private property without consent, taking evidence and confiscating private property. As I understand it, the RSPCA can also initiate and pursue action against citizens in court.

Over recent years we became concerned about what we saw as a more radical or activist direction in RSPCA policy and some of its actions. We don't think those sit well with the powers given to the RSPCA. Accordingly we ceased our longstanding donations to it.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=RSPCA%20radical%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np
This link is a start and worth while.
After that? well if you have time find the facts about just this single horrible case.
I do not think I am a radical.
I may be wrong.
But in my mind this incident was constructed, yes ever the cruelty to animals.
To fire yet another shot at live exports.
As a centrist within the ALP some will find my words strange, even untrue.
But if we observe the mess, this hung parliament is, we can see the radical nature of the greens.
If our eyes are wide open, and our minds free of personal bigotry,we can see minority's can ,and do, act against majority.
SOME, Animal welfare groups, train in tactics that include break and enter and evidence planting.
O SUNG WO ,BLOKE 22 years in DMR/RTA three name changes for them in recent history.
You learn fast *Nothing really matters any more*
Is a defense against management that leads in circles and gets nothing done.

Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

Actually, in NSW most RSPCA Inspectors are appointed as 'Specials', and as such, enjoy the same powers and responsibilities that are conferred and imposed upon regular police.

The appointment of Special Constables applies right across the board, with many different groups being sworn in, and to cite just a few...

Police from NSW who need to conduct protracted investigations in say, Victoria, are often sworn in as 'Specials' in the Victoria Police Force. This allows them to exercise 'police powers' as well as closely regulating their activities whilst working in VIC.

Other groups include - Rangers, State Security Officers, (not private Security) other Govt. Officers who need to possess police powers in order to do their respective jobs.

Your question as to what training, do these people receive ? Apart from police, which is obvious. I'd imagine they'd receive 'some' training, but from who, I don't really know ? I received several appointments (from different States) and all we're ever given, was a printed set of guidelines for 'Specials', and that's it. True, we were 'working detectives' (out of State), so we'd hardly do something foolish, and make idiots of ourselves. We could do that just as easily back in our own State !

What I can assure you though, these people are carefully controlled when they're working.

And if, in the course of their work, it is necessary for them to draw upon their 'police powers';

(a) They do so - pursuant to the specific Act of Parliament, under which they're appointed and work;

and

(b) pursuant to the various police disciplinary regulations that apply, in whatever State they're working.

How many of these people do their work, and exercise these 'powers', is somewhat moot I suspect - though I guess we all have a job to do.

Sounds convoluted, but it does seem to work ?

I hope this is of some assistance to you ONTHEBEACH ?

0 sung wo while I think putting the blame on the out door staff, including officers is a red herring.
I think my concerns come from seat sitters in the office.
I looked after National parks in my work area, spent much time sorting out the standard issues.
White shirted office occupiers act as barriers not helping get the job done.
To the extent one PUBL8IC AREA, a beach, is a gay beat, because management refuses to act on workers rangers and others complaints about open naked sex acts in front of or involving Children.
My thought is not that all RSPCA is radical, too many within its senior management are.
Infiltration is standard stuff after all.
I gave up supporting RSPCA because3 it is becoming a political machine not just animal welfare.

o sung wo you will know I can not name that park and beach.
You too, will understand my best help in fixing it, local Police are defencless.
Charges are instantly made, even schooled on what to say, on line!
So while of subject maybe it is not.
Small groups increasingly thwart majority's.
Stear them, confront them.
I too grew up with high views on RSPCA, and that bird protection group.
It would be great to forget this and other anti meat eating shams.
But sorry, true, I think this was crafted, if not why are the storys not continuing?
Be aware every one, lie are weapons.

Hi there BELLY...

Your right of course. It's always the 'suits' that tend to wander around the place interfering with the staff that actually do the job.

Same in the coppers. Before I retired, they put on half a dozen MBA's (Public Servants) to assist the Commissioner in 'streamlining' the job, in order to reduce the amount of paperwork that keeps a lot of coppers at their desks, instead of in 'the street' where they're supposed to be.

Their objective were fine, it's just they didn't understand the actual mechanics of how a police station functions. Instead of taking advice from the various shift or patrol Sergeants, they simply took the operations from the manuals eg property register, COR's, Occurance Sheets etc etc. And that's where the problems started.

Some, I repeat, some paperwork is necessary. Which, are best left to the Sergeants, who tend to know the procedures very well indeed !

I suppose BELLY, these people have to justify the 'big' bucks they're paid. The only trouble is, they leave, and it's us that have to clean up the mess. I do appreciate what you saying, sadly this is a problem that exists everywhere - ah well, what'll it matter in fifty years ah ?

Take it easy Belly, as usual another excellent topic you've created, though I must confess, from what you and others have told me herein, I'm a bit disappointed with the RSPCA, so I'll need to review all my previously held thoughts and opinions about their ethics and practices ?

Have a good weekened, everyone.

Cheers...Sung Wu.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/rspca-radicals-push-for-vegan-world/story-e6frg6n6-1111117602019
Thanks o sung wo, I tend to have strong views when any minority trys to rule the majority.
This link should give advice that my thoughts on this subject are not alone.
Could post 20 such links.
This will do.

http://saveaustralianfarming.org/news/use-of-rspca-funding-being-questioned-wafarmers.aspx
Yes I know, I said I would not post more links.
Had NO CHOICE FIRST WAS NOT FROM INTERESTED PARTY'S THIS ONE IS.
as in every debate, some feelings will be hurt we think sometimes others views are mad.
I wounder how many have lived in the hot dry lands some of these farmers live in.
Or how many do not understand cattle are sometimes the only reason folk live out there.
Or of family who live in dirt floored homes.
What would we do, if we all became vegans? with billions of animals farmed and not farmed that we eat each year.
How many understand the vital part MEAT played in our development ?
And how much shorter some lives would be without it.
We see those pointless claims we should stop the trade, sell UNWANTED frozen meat.
But in the end we must confront this truth.
NOTHING IS PERFECT,we must try for the best out comes in every thing.
But do vegans have the right to war on farmers and every one of us who disagree with them?
Then we too have that right, to fight them.

Hi there BELLY...

Well ol' friend you've certainly opened my eyes. As evidenced by the several links you so kindly furnished us all with. I've always thought the RSPCA were a 'squeaky clean' organisation that's only brief was protecting the rights of animals, and shielding them from cruelty !

Golly, I didn't know they harbour some very deviant radicals within their ranks ? I dunno mate, you've really confused and disillusioned me big time ?

And I was deadly serious when I said part of my estate was to go to them ? Makes me wonder if there's ANY organisation anywhere, that's not tainted with some form of corruption or other ?

I guess all I can do, is make some enquiries into their business affairs, and determine who's who at the top. Establish if their's any formal investigation into their activities, their financial affairs, or any unauthorised delineation from their Charter ?

Trouble is, as an ordinary citizen, there's limitations as to what information I can retrieve, and only that data, which is avaiable through normal public access, and (perhaps) through FOI ? I'm not entirely sure what the legal position is, as to whether or not they're open to a normal FOI enquiry ?

Anyway, thanks a lot BELLY for the 'heads-up' in the first place, overwise I'd be still blissfully ignorant 'of all these goings on', without your initial advice.

Cheers...Sung Wu.

Pretty simple.

Ban all live animal exports, as it is obviously cruel and stressful.

Ralph

Yabby
Telling city people to go shoot sheep or take up farming seems hardly relevant to the issue. Surely if you have to move livestock in a hurry it is much easier to do it if they are already packaged and ready for shipment - given that you have had to shoot them anyway.

This notion that the blame always falls back to the consumer is a bit iffy. Sure people want more for less and that is a problem but nothing to do with meat exports.

There is a big domestic market here and if we all shopped locally and bought Australian produce. It seems weird to export meat and other food products only to have to import another country's same products. Bizarre really when you think about it. But protectionism has become a dirty word now, in the next fifty years it will probably be back in vogue when the problems of free trade in an unequal market place come home to roost (pardon the pun).

Still I don't want to digress from Belly's main topic. As far as the RSPCA is concerned they are just doing the job according to their charter which is to prevent cruelty to animals. Simply that - whether one agrees with prevention of cruelty or not.

Ralph Bennet welcome.
Hope you remain a contributor.
But can I challenge the very simple bit?
The issue is much more complex than that.
IF exporting meat from this part of our country, and these type of cattle was an alternative, why is it not done.
While we all love our sun burnt country we do not all understand it.
Towing a caravan , like a turtle home on our back, at speed in these areas, is not living there.
Long before the mining boom, and maybe long after it, we lived on the sheep,s back.
Beef exports first started with cracker cows, older or male, by product of east coast milk production.
Is it not crystal clear? if not our cattle it will be some one else?
Best fix t5he problem, not pass it on.
In a world facing food shortages ,I feel we should not kill a future source for this part of the world

Pelican, you misunderstood my points. Farmers produce primary products, which includes livestock. If you want them processed locally, why don't city people do exactly that? Go ahead, value
add, if you wish. I don't run meatworks, I produce livestock.
But I need to have a market for them, when I need to sell them.

WA is a long way from anywhere. We have a unique problem in terms
of distance. We can't just move the livestock down the road, to another meatworks. So we have 3 options to deal with drought.
Move the stock somewhere, that means ships, meatworks, trucking 4000 km to the East. Or they can land up starving in the paddocks.

Ban live exports and you will land up with dead sheep everywhere, that is the net result of well meaning people who don't understand the problems of the industry.

Yabby that is the very heart of the issue.
For the most part those complaining about live exports are well meaning but not well informed.
BUT a group within concerns me Vegans are not by nature exclusively or even likely,to be radicals.
But some are.
Leftist/Green/those just searching for a reason campaign exist.
Folk do you know,not all not most but some, live in shacks and battle till the cattle get sold.
Mostly in the early days of farming but for ever for some.
We, this country, need decentralization, governments of all colors pay only lip service to it.
Behind the producers of ALL meat, is the exporters, we export meat.
But not all meat can be exported as packed and chilled.
These markets want only live beef/ sheep and more.
So easy to say export meat not animals, but imposable to do it.

Just a thought, in the above thread I spoke of a few too many King Brown snakes.
In one case in a house.
What would the RSPCA say about a 410 blowing one away?

Do we all remember just how long the shouting went on over the Indonesian cruelty issue.
We all know just how dad that was.
And we know too we heard and saw the footage for at least a month after.
Why not in this case?
Why the silence from just days after we saw ABC again let its self be used?
I propose the reason is this.
The film was taken months before it was shown.
The story was constructed.
RSPCA should, along with the ABC find its self staring on Media Watch.
Last,we know or should,while we do not like letting animal cruelty take place ever.
Both Muslim and Jewish faith FORBID cruelty at time of death to cattle.
Why then did this take place?