We should gift Christmas Island and Ashmore Reef to Indonesia as they are virtually part of Indonesia anyway. Rather than rushing into Indonesian waters like boy scouts we should turn off our surveillance and let the boat people find their way to our West Coast. The Indonesians don’t monitor boat movements or worry about rescues but the silly Australians rush in with life jackets to within a few kilometres of the Indonesian mainland. There is an old saying “WE ARE MAKING A ROD FOR OUR OWN BACKS WITH STUPID BEHAVIOUR”
The boat people who make it to the west coast can be then be sent off to Nauru and Manus Island. This will save a lot of money, give our navy a break and quickly reduce the boat arrivals.

Landrights4all, how about a mandatory 15 hours per week and then anything extra is voluntary?

A few people might be resentful of this, but if it is explained to them that it is:

1. Sensible for them to return something for their upkeep and processing, and 15hrs/week is not much and

2. It is a win/win situation, whereby they do a bit of work and learn about Australian society as a result of it….

Then there should be very few problems.

Those who do strongly object get to stay in detention with reduced privileges, and have their attitude noted as part of their refugee determination.

It would not just be about developing an effective work program for Neighbourhoods That Work or similar schemes, it would be about getting a bit of a return for the very considerable expense that these people are drawing from the Australian taxpayer, about their education, about the deterrence factor to those thinking of making the trip to Australia, about the situation that they are in:- in the care of Australian authorities, having arrived here outside of our formal immigration program and outside of laws associated with border protection and against the wishes of the vast majority of Australian citizens, and the government and opposition, and displacing more needy offshore refugees that would have come here via our formal immigration program.

They shouldn’t be in a position where they can pick and choose whether they assist their new would-be host country in some way or not. They SHOULD be required to do certain things. And again, we are only talking about 15hrs a week.

Ludwig, re "do certain things". I agree, so long as that is not too prescriptive, and so likely to cause resentment. We have a good example in the case of unemployed people over 55 wanting to do voluntary work instead of job search. The situation there is they can do any form of voluntary work for any approved community organisation. It is up to the community organisation to determine if something is likely to be valuable to the community or not. That leaves the opportunities so broad only a bludger would not take up something.( I am very keen to see this opportunity extended to all unemployed people below 55)

The systems for this are already in place in centerlink and in many community organisations.

Too bloody right Jay: the last thing we want is a bunch of filthy mudbloods befouling the gene pool. Anybody who cannot trace a White lineage all the way back to King Æthelstan should be dumped in the outback and left to fend for themselves.

Cheers,

Tony

I fully support this statement.
Labor and Coalition locked in race to the bottom
23 Nov 2012 | Sarah Hanson-Young
Human Rights / Immigration & Citizenship

The Greens have express dismay at new lows in the tenor of debate regarding immigration policy in Australia.
“Labor and the Collation are locked in a race to the bottom, trying to outdo each other on who can be the harshest to refugees in a bid to win cheap votes,” the Greens’ immigration spokesperson, Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said.
“The Coalition’s announcement has pulled back the veil of concern and showed that Mr Abbott has no interest in reducing the number of people embarking on dangerous boat journeys, because reducing Australia’s humanitarian intake forces people onto boats.
“The old parties know that they need to offer safer pathways to reduce boat arrivals, but they are refusing to do so.
“The Coalition’s immigration policies are just a terrible patchwork of misinformation and demonization.
“Mr Abbott’s language where he insists on calling refugees ‘illegal’, where he says Australia is suffering at the hands of a ‘peaceful invasion’ is reminiscent of Pauline Hanson’s despicable rhetoric and it represents a new low in the debate.”

Here is a link to United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Regional Office which may help some get Australia's refugee problem into prospective. This was published in June and relates to the Global trends for 2011.

http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=46&Itemid=92

Jay,
You said: "Paul1405, calling someone a Nazi is no longer effective, we don't care anymore and we're not intimidated, I'll happily wear that tag if it sets me apart from a traitor like you."
I agree calling a Nazi a Nazi should not upset a Nazi. It was not meant as an insult but more so as a statement of fact. I am a member of the Greens, I make no secret of that fact. From your posts I assume you are a member of some neo-fascist organization or party. If you are not, all I can say is your 'talents' are being wasted. Through the brotherhood you could do so much more to protect 'Fortress Australia'. And if one day Jim Saleam or someone of his ilk should become Chancellor of Australia, who knows you may be promoted to Commandant of a Concentration Camp, then you could show all those non whites what you think of them. Ah!