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The Forum > General Discussion > Labor - opened the floodgate for refugees.

Labor - opened the floodgate for refugees.

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Gina Reinhart want to bring in foreign workers;
The government has stacks of them.
Let the miners pay them the $525 a fortnight and provide accommodation.
The miners can also pay the government an amount that covers government costs plus a margin.
The miners being responsible to train them in the job.
While detainees are available the miners be banned from importing
other labour.

A win all round for everyone including the detainees.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 24 November 2012 11:40:25 AM
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Poirot,
Don't you get sick of repeating that same silly line about "Hybrid vigour" and having the same people prove to you that it's BS over and over again? What's more that wasn't even my point, you just picked up on the "half breed kids" part and thought you'd have a smirk.

Bazz,
Fair enough but what happens when the miners no longer have any use for them? Old Gina and her mates will sack their entire workforce and close their mines if profits fall below a certain level.
What's more if I, with a degree and a trade qualification can't get work in the resource sector then how is an Afghan who reads at a grade two level going to be useful to anyone?
Under the current system once refugees have been accepted they can't be sent back, guest workers can be terminated and sent back or re hired as needed.
A better idea would be to completely de regulate the wage system and let the capitalists have their foreign workers for five dollars a day, in the long run it would improve the prospects of native Australians because they would be forced to collectivise and force a change to the system, like they did in the late 1800's, resulting in the immigration restriction act. These things are tied to cycles, in the next decade or so we may well see most of the non european/ non indigenous people gone from this continent and their access to the economy severely restricted.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 24 November 2012 12:14:30 PM
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JOM,

Apologies for smirking....especially after your "superior" white-inspired rant in Paul's direction...got to admit your stuff sure is freaky - man!
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 24 November 2012 12:23:32 PM
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The boat arrivals since Labour took government have built up a head of
steam that despite introducing offshore processing, protection visas,
no family reunions etc, will take some time to slow down and stop.
The most effective and fastest effect will be to start sending them
back to Indonesia. If they scuttle their vessel then they can be
rescued under solas rules and returned to their last port of departure.

The effect of them turning back up amongst those that saw them leave
will have maximum effect.

Now don't let us hear any of this Indonesia will not accept them
nonsense, Indonesia does not have a choice.
This is the biggest failure of the government in not enforcing the
Solas rules onto Indonesia.
The reason that countries are forced to accept back their nationals
and passengers of vessels of their nation is that otherwise ships will
refuse to rescue vessels in distress.
Indonesia has the answer in their hands and that is to deport all
those already in Indonesia and to stop them entering in the first place.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 24 November 2012 12:31:23 PM
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Ludwig, I think someone who is required by a stronger party to work 15 hours per week is encouraged to be resentful and less productive than someone who made their own choice to do so. Our past experience of work for the dole should be enough to prove the excessive management & material costs when there is resentful participation. Anyhow I would rather KNOW who was willing to help in housing and feeding themselves.

Why build in resentment when the energy could be entirely positive & constructive? Authoritarianism would be a bad start I would think & totally unnecessary. Just what advantages do you see in making people do what they would do naturally?
Posted by landrights4all, Saturday, 24 November 2012 12:38:22 PM
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Ludwig, I meant to addthat if the option to sitting around going mad for 5 years Was to grow some food for myself & build some housing where I might stay if I am accepted ... Well it's a no brainer isn't it?
Posted by landrights4all, Saturday, 24 November 2012 12:47:13 PM
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