Loudmouth, JOE, dislike calling you loudmouth.
I have a great deal of respect for you, no pocket stuff involved.
But I disagree with you on this subject.
Yes both sides have pushed the boundary's on this one.
And I am well aware our climate has changed many times.
Not just the extinction of the Dinosaurs.
Many ice ages, some bought about by meteorites some by supper volcanoes.
1750, lets not flip past, what was our population?
May be wrong not researching trusting memory, 2 billion?
How much coal and oil did we use before that time.
Industrial revolution.
It changed us and the planet.
Heard about the dumping of poison substances? in the ocean, rivers streams?
What about what we never hear of.
Why are both polls ,melting, why is the sea rising, why are fish facing extinction.
I hold my ground climate change is real man contributes to it, while we fail to act, we condemn our children and their kids to have far less than us.

What a strange post : )

Hint: follow the red line under "How Realists View Global Warming".

Hint Number 2 - it goes "up".

Poirot,

Yes, at a decreasing rate, that's the puzzle. I'm not trying to be funny or score some cheap point, I'm just pointing out that IF world temperatures have not risen in fifteen years, AND production of CO2 has gone up 50 % in fifteen years, that there may be EITHER a slight disconnect between the two, OR there may be other factors, ozone, methane, sun-spots, short-term and longer-terms cycles or whatever.

Cheers,

Joe

Scientists separate the signal from the noise quite well. Political ideologues don't.

qanda welcome back, take over will ya mate? no way I can hold my endup as well as you do it.
Loved the signal to noise? ham by any chance?
That foot burning heat out side is cycling, maybe, hopefully, ah take over mate.

Ah, thank you, qanda - take note of the signal, not the noise. Thank you.

But .... which is which ? What is the disconnect a 'signal' of ?

As a socialist, I'm always suspicious that capitalists are out to make a buck out of anything, especially a major switch-over in technology, from water-power to coal in Marx's time, coal to oil over the past century in shipping and rail, and now from coal and oil to renewables in power generation. Cute.

Or maybe General Electric has been a secret partner of progressives all this time ?

Sorry, that's just my paranoia kicking in.