Belly said;
In areas of high long term unemployed we should make full time jobs
without comes of benefit to all.

If an area has long time unemployment, it may mean that there is no
economic need for work to be done in the area.
In those circumstances, then only activities such as call centres
would be viable.

I think that problem is unsolvable, and about all could be done is to
train for work in such places in mining and arrange for them to travel
to the work.

Bazz I had no intention of posting here again, I come back out of respect for you.
Honesty being better than untruth, the views of runner and Indy are blind.
Well Bazz a truth, some council jobs, in some areas all of them, have always been to create jobs for folk who would not get one.
And to prop up rural areas.
Rail ,roads, a host of government jobs, remember the term decentralization?
Still vital we do not forget the non coastal parts of this country.
You may chose not to believe it, but as ganger and union delegate, I saw workers who should have been sacked, asked for one to be, the culture of job creation over productivity is dead.
But if it was my task to re birth it, first act would be contracting out the management roles.
They not the workers, are the problem.
I truly think, privatization invites CORRUPTION and price increases, product failure.
And that country jobs not lifetime dole is an answer.
INSTANT BENEFITS include far less fraud as cash and dole workers leave or get caught.

Belly,
So you reckon my views are blind because we can't get an Australian apprentice or Tradesman ?

Belly I can not agree with your idea of councils employing the incompetent. We have commonwealth systems for supporting the unemployable, this is not a council function.

My rates have gone from something just over $300 dollars to over $2200 a year, in the almost 20 years I have owned this property, that's 700%, & totally ridiculous. Council rates have gone up at a faster rate, than anything else.

For this I get a garbage service none of us wanted, & the pot holes in the single car wide road patched about once every 5 years.

It is bad enough that councils are the most inefficient form of government, with empire building & union control causing these huge increases, without trying to make then a second string welfare system.

I don't know how you find your rate bill, but along with other fixed costs, like electricity, insurance & automotive costs, I am finding a large reduction in my discretionary spending.

I would love a Campbell Newman to do a hatchet job through our council, & start bringing the ridiculous costs down.

I agree that many apprenticeships today are a waste of time and, many so called 'tradesmen' having completed a so called apprenticeship are simply under skilled, yet expect to be paid a fair days pay, for a poor days work.

This in my view has resulted from a change in our traing, which occurred back in the late 80's to mid 90's, whereby college blocks were replaced by on the job

Nowadays, many of the trainers/bosses are a product of this poor training system.

Using butchery as an example, I can employ an apprentice, show them how to break a lamb, pig, make mince, sausage etc and sign them off, even if they only do these tasks once during their term.

Breaking beef is now an extra course and, given all courses cost money, many don't bother.

Self assessment is one experiment that has gone wrong in my view.

BTW, the reason many bosses rush apprentices through is money, as they get incentives to train, but only enough to pass the required level.

I had very few apprentices complete their time with me, as most left as they said I was too hard on them.

But the ones who stuck it out, two are managers and one is a millionaire from running his own shop.

I was fortunate enough to be taught by an old school boss and I carried that skill set on.

Using Rehctub's logic , and the logic of the other far right wingers here, we should immediately reduce all old age pensions to $240 per week. We should then give them skills training so they won't be a burden on us.

Or, do ya'll have double standards regarding this?