hi all,

I would like to make a complaint on the behalf of all men....
which I am not...grin

why on earth do men continue with the bad tradition of tie
wearing

for starters, they are uncomfortable, chaffing, annoying...
and sit there doing nothing but looking stupid

perhaps hat elastic and a silk drip dry tie
if one MUST

it is one of the most useless pieces of clothing I have come
across.... next to polyester chaffing collars....

its ridiculous that men still wear heavy suits and ties,
especially in australia

just a wee...thought

those chinese type collars are sufficient
and or a tea shirt and jacket

JHH
grin

I can think of only one reason for them,
and thats not working

washing up
and or cooking

Never worn a flippin tie and never bloody will.

Never wear footwear unless I absolutely have to.

Or any clothes for that matter, in this wonderful north Queensland climate!!

(:>)

hi all,

hi Lud, oooowahaaaaaaa laughing here....
well I dont know about nothing in the office
unless appropriate times.... ?

it would only take one game, brave man, to not wear a tie to work,
?

yep they should have a tie burning and bra burning party

both only needed for special occassions if desired

JHH

I've never really seen the importance of ties. I have to wear them now and again, though if I can squirm out of it I can and do.

They're certainly among the ghastliest and stupid items of clothing... well, cummerbunds may give them a run for their money, but aside from that and anything in tweed, they're at the top of the list.

Muslims don't wear them because the represent Christianity, would you believe!

I reckon Freud would make merry with this one.Could the tie be a symbol of male sexual dominance?So wearing a bow tie makes you more submissive.

More likely in the corporate world it represents conformity.

Did you hear the one about the vain actor?He that many face lifts that eventually his navel became the dimple on his chin,but is real dilemma was in concealing his bow tie.

I stopped wearing a suit and tie for work when I was Western Australian Wheatbelt manager for an insurance company in the 1970s. When the state manager found out he started to have a go at me, but I quickly let him know that he was wasting his time.

My social life has revolved around ballroom dancing since I was 16. That's when my very smart mother told me that learning to dance was the best way of meeting girls. Years ago, a man wouldn't get into a dance without a tie, but those days are long gone, thank goodness. It's not generally known, but the strange outfits which are often worn by male dancers at competition or demonstration level are not ordinary good quality off-the-peg or made-to-measure suits. The jackets are specially made with extra room in the shoulders, because an ordinary well cut suit jacket would be too restrictive.

I'm now 90% retired, but I am a regular speaker at business seminars, something which I enjoy. I'm the only regular male speaker who does not wear a tie and one of the few who does not also wear a jacket. Funny thing, both the organisers and the audience seem quite comfortable with that and I certainly am.

Just recently, the WA state govt had a TV campaign, trying to reduce the sudden increase in power usage when people got home from work about 3pm or later and switched their airconditioners on. The campaign was a costly failure. Why should people be told to do without their aircon, when the pollies and bureaucrats need extra aircon in their workplaces, in a vain attempt to counter their addiction to wearing too much unnecessary clothing.

cont

There was an article in the West Australian a while back, quoting an environmentally aware architect. He made the point that office buildings have to be between 21C and 24C, "so that [men] can wear a jacket and tie". "This is costing us an absolute fortune in terms of greenhouse gases".

My view is that, except during the actual times of exceptionally hot weather, say over 35C, office aircon should be allowed only on a roster system, say two days a week. This would bring the brainwashed ones to their senses.

The man's suit was originally a horse riding outfit in the comparatively cool English climate. So why is it so popular in hotter countries like Australia, for everything from parties to funerals? My suggestion is a mixture of brainwash, superstition and vanity. Why vanity? Because almost any man can look OK in a well cut suit, regardless of his body type.

Whilst we're talking about useless items of clothing, I'd put swimwear and sleepwear into that category too. Don't rely on the rag trade moguls for guidance. They don't care whether or not our clothes are comfortable, attractive or healthy, all they care about is artificial obsolescence and money. They'd tell us what we simply must wear to go to the toilet in, if they thought they could get away with it!

Unless we go to work in shorts and thongs ,why not a tie ?

I like my ties - my old public school tie [for some reason still in the cupboard and with half the diagonal threads picked out]; the black tie for funerals; the "uppercrust" flashie striped tie to put on a bit of a front and the new favourite, a lovely piece of Aboriginal art work from someone I know ,to indicate my politics, plus a fair few that incredibly must have said something at the time of purchase .

And there's also a lot of satisfaction seeing my lads do a good Windsor knot.

Should we have to wear them?

Never.

Ties are wonderful things

They are the bright light shining from a dark suit

They are a conversatino piece (- although I do wonder why anyone wants to makes Elmer Fudd their conversation piece) I did have a glorious array of Marilyn Monroe ones, far more tastful and discerning.

The convey taste (a very individual thing).

They convey, for some kinship and the system of old school, something which I am alien to but none the less exists.

Ties are not uncomfortable.

My most expensive tie is Italian Silk and cost around $120 about 15 years ago.

They do more than repleat a well tailored suit.

They at least show who can do them up and who is limited to elastic substitutes. This applies to the bow tie as much as to the regular tie.

Doing up a bowtie from scratch is a difficult exercise which challenges most and far outweighs the rigors of a Windsor of half Windsor knot.

Anyway ties have also given opportunity for the ladies in my life to contribute to my wardrobe in a manner which can be as delightful as it is sometimes disasterous so that now I do suggest leave the choosing to the wearer.

To wear a tie tight around m' neck

Would turn me into a half-choked wreck!

I’d rather wear it 'round m' waste

And hang it out m' fly… in really bad taste!

(:>()

Are my jokes too obscure and below the belt?What no laughter?What was the vain actor's bow tie?Or is it just a matter go nads with no bow tie.

Dear old Luddy, I think You Should
Expose yourself in this manner good .

Indeed a fine display with your tie half-out,
I'm sure the girls would all flock about !

If yer ain't got no tie wotcher gunna do if yer belt breaks?
Eh?

So I went to the do with tie out fly

The girls came a runnin’, my o my!

Now I’ve learnt a slick new trick

Much better m’ tie out m’ fly than m’ d…

!! (:>{}) !!

So Luddy "went to the do" and found that nice ties are good,

I knew he'd luv 'em ,I knew he would .

Much safer to expose the tie - he's found it's right,

Than to flash anything else and give them ALL a fright !

I once dated a man with a tie

Who told me a shocking lie

I grabbed hold of the knot

And kicked his weak spot

Till his plea sounded awfully high

...couldn't resist :))

Ludwig, you’re a sick sick sick sick seeeeeeeyick puppy!!
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.
.
Well someone had to tell you!!

(:>/
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(But at least you are in good similarly warped company!!)

Yes to wear tie on professional occasion is enhance your confidence and sincerity
But when you gather for enjoyment and relaxation is really having no sense to
Wear it
It would be very much interesting if anyone have history or some research work
Like when it started to wear.

Deon
www.onlinexcasions.com

Yes to wear tie on professional occasion is enhance your confidence and sincerity
But when you gather for enjoyment and relaxation is really having no sense to
Wear it
It would be very much interesting if anyone have history or some research work
Like when it started to wear.

Deon
www.onlinexcasinos.com

Leigh

No I wouldnt believe. Where on earth did you get that from?

Perhaps you missed the interview with the new President of AFIC a few days back.

I actually emailed him saying- I love your tie.
It was a beautiful tie that suites the beautiful man that he is.

Ties are worn by most people who have some idea of standards repect.

I dont think I recall even one person at AFIC meetings that were not nicely dressed and all wearing a suite and tie.

This is at their own office and amoung themselves I might add.

You have been seriously misinformed.

Not a tie wearer myself and after reading the latest medical reports, will never ever wear one again.

I care about my girlfriend's health too much.

"Viruses, bacteria, yeast, and even fungi. Despite your best efforts, all of these little bugs at some point will colonize your personal space and start an infection. From being sneezed on by a contagious co-worker, contaminated food, to sharing a gym locker with the wrong person, there are a million different ways for you to catch one of these critters...........

....doctors in a labour and delivery unit were each given a clean tie, either a traditional long or a bow-tie, and asked to wear then for three typical days at work.....

By the end of a single working day, bacteria such as Enterococcus faecalis were found on all long ties .......... By end of the third day, all bow ties were contaminated as well. This amount of bacterial contamination is even more surprising given that all doctors in the study claimed to wear lab-coats.............. to protect them and their clothes from the daily hazards of their OB/GYN job including blood, amniotic fluid, urine, and faeces."

Okay now we are not all exposed to quite the same conditions as a labour ward. But there is a strong case to say that in the average office ties collect viruses and bacteria.

Therefore, ties are not only unnecessary and elitist, they are health hazards.

However, on things elitist, my girlfriend has some thoughtful words for me ole cobber, COL ROUGE. He stated above: "Anyway ties have also given opportunity for the ladies (sic) in my life to contribute to my wardrobe in a manner which can be as delightful as it is sometimes disasterous (sic) so that now I do suggest leave the choosing to the wearer."

She suggests that the 'disastrous' ties selected by Col's 'ladies' are indicative of the type of woman he prefers and tends to attract.

I'm betting that Col's 'ladies' just love the Marilyn Monroe ties and think that is most appropriate for you old son.

JR, thanks for that information about the hygiene risk of wearing ties.

I can imagine that the food industry would also benefit from a ban on ties. I mean, what's more important, conformity or hygiene?

I found the article and just sent the link off to a few 'fresh food' supermarkets of which the uniforms for the men in fresh produce include neckties.
Eeeeeuw, I can imagine that these ties are not only contaminated by germs, but that pesticides and herbicides also collect there, and I don't even want to think about squashed insect eggs and larvae...

If research results like this gets more widely known, I figure women wouldn't want to touch tie-wearing men with a 10 foot pole- the tie could become the latest form of contraception... and ties would finally have a function.

Having said all that, some designs do look quite creative and interesting so perhaps ties could still have another function as interesting collectors items.

Oh funny about the Marilyn Monroe tie- I hope she is given a thorough scrub every time after use :)))

Yep
Why Not- Burn all ties - burn the flag- change our national song
Anything else.
Whilst it may not be the intention of the person to have created another way of chipping at our Western Soceity I see it as such.

I cant imagine attending a formal meeting or wedding for example without our men wearing a tie.

What about attending the funeral of an old british "gentleman?'

That would seem a slap in the face and a sign of disrespect to him as far as I am concerned.

Perhaps as Australia is in need of jobs some clever little school boy could bring back the old shoe shine and press and de- bug your ties after lunch or dinner.
Umm Interesting thought

God Help this country if this is what people waiste their time on.

I hope the Minister of Small Business doesnt bring more back from China with her upon her return to WA after blocking people opening Abattoirs in Australia.
Never mind I am quite sure you all dont have a clue what I am talking about.
Happy mixing, silly thinking- Enjoy while you can because your going to have a lot more than a few germs on a tie to worry about.

Why not everybody refuse to wear shirts or socks or Hey what the heck- Any clothing at all.

We could all go back to the dark ages and run around with nothing on in the name of germ science.
Try looking at what you all eat- Such as the cruel intensive farming to see where the disease comes from that spreads to the - 'Tie`?

Anyway careful what you wish for

PALE... erm... it's a tie, not the end of civilisation. They're a pain in the neck, quite literally, and don't actually serve a function. It won't lead to doing away with shirts - shirts cover our bodies or keep us warm. It won't lead to shoes or pants or any other item of clothing, as ties are completely and utterly superfluous. You can say they look good, but that's all they do, and not everyone likes how they look.

And try as I might, I can't help but treat the idea that getting rid of ties will damn western civilisation with more than a few grains of salt... sorry, it's just not that big a deal. I've more than a dozen ties, but I'd quite gladly ditch them all if the situation didn't sometimes demand them.

Though I don't agree with all of the hygiene argument... perhaps in the medical profession.
For the simple fact that we're exposed to germs frequently. You can't quarantine yourself. If you're exposed to germs, you build up a resistance.

I'm not saying go out and seek out germs, but once you get on the road of getting all worked up about possible germ contamination, you're on a road to obsessive compulsion. I look at it from a practical level - unless the germs do actually make me sick, I'm not worried - and while I'm sure plenty of people come into contact with germs from ties, the same can be said of keyboards, phones etc...
I have the same beef against the more expensive cleaning fluids which claim to kill more germs, when I'm quite satisfied with the ones that clean my bench... at the end of the day, it's not going to make my life any different if I use a standard cleaner instead.

Besides, it's rather ironic in that those people who wipe their benches frequently are more likely to spread germs. Ha, now there's a laugh. Plus, the people who have obsessively neat (read, obsessively neat, not normal or tidy) households tend to raise kids with little resistance to illness.

roaring here...grin....

ah dear

well socks are to stop smelly shoes
shoes are to stop glass
pants are to stop ants
tops are to um eh keep warm...grin
or not get sunburnt

ties just sit there and annoyingly chafe
like bras GRIN

its about design, and what people will suffer

more later I think

JHH

hi all,
"The history of neckties dates back a mere hundred years or so, for they came into existence as the direct result of a war. In 1660, in celebration of its hard-fought victory over Turkey, a crack regiment from Croatia (then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire) visited Paris. There, the soldiers were presented as glorious heros to Louis XIV, a monarch well known for his eye toward personal adornment. It so happened that the officers of this regiment were wearing brightly colored handkerchiefs fashioned of silk around their necks. These neck cloths, which probably descended from the Roman fascalia worn by orators to warm the vocal chords, struck the fancy of the king, and he soon made them an insignia of royalty as he created a regiment of Royal Cravattes. The word "cravat," incidentally, is derived from the word "Croat."
www.mycustomtailor.com

see they are only a new invention ?

I have a marvellous photograph of the late Duke of Argyle, Mac Caillean Mhor, in kilted finery at Fairfield Showground (Sydney) in 1988.
As our party progressed around the grounds the Duke was addressed by a young man, slightly 'the worse for the drink'
"Hey" he says "are you a Campbell?"
"Yes" says the Duke.
"So'm I" says the lad and pointing to his makeshift trouser belt " see, I'm wearin' me Campbell tie".

Mac Caillean Mhor took it in good part.

JHH
Well at least I found someone with a sense of humour at last.
I must say turnrightleft your post was the best I have seen- despite the dig at pale.
I guess I am just Pro old school.
I really think big things start from little things.
I like our history.
Anyway I hope you make a million bucks with a shoes shine anti germ steam tie stand.
People these days would be crazy enough to flock their if this thread is anything to go by.
I might post a few jokes for you from time to time I think you will enjoy JHH.
Artist ah. Tell me do you think you could draw Amada in a cage for us.?
Hard task I am sure.
Happy days.
goodnight - Dont let the beg bugs bite.

Aaaah Celivia, we meet again. (My girlfriend is getting suspicious).

That was very considerate of you to suggest that Col Rouge clean his ties regularly, however, there is another hazard to the wearing of the tie.........

Men with fat necks and tight ties are risking going blind and not because they lack sufficient love in their lives either.

It's true.

"Researchers today deal a fresh blow to jacket and tie culture - by exposing the potential health hazard from the knots round men's necks.

Tests by eye specialists in New York suggest those who think a tighter tie might make them look smarter could be increasing their risk of glaucoma, a condition which, untreated, can lead to loss of sight.

Men with thick necks AND white-collar professionals might also be in greater danger of damaging their vision, according to a study published in the British Journal of Ophthalmology........"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/story/0,12976,1008125,00.html

As I stated previously, I'm not much a tie wearer myself. I can impress without dressing up like a right ponce. But I do admire some novelty ties - just as long as the wearer has sufficient humour and grace to successfully wear such accessories.

I suspect that corporates lack these human traits.Starchy white collar professionals don't exactly fit the image as warm and humourous and, indeed, those tightly knotted toffs as the ones most in danger of developing glaucoma.

Maybe that's just natural selection at work. Eventually the human race will rid itself of self-interested males in favour of the more altruistic types.

Who said that ties served no purpose?

;-)

Interesting history about ties, JHH, thanks.

TRTL,
yes I agree with you about the importance of building up resistance to germs.
However, because ties are germ traps they should not be worn by men working in the health and food sectors because hygiene is utterly important here. The other things I said about women not touching tie-wearing men with a ten foot pole etc, I was exaggerating a little for fun because I am taking this conversation lightly and semi-seriously :)

JR,
thanks for showing another reason why boys and men should stand up for themselves and demand that the tie should be optional instead of compulsory at their work or school.

It is crazy that men and boys are forced to wear ties in boiling hot summer weather just for wowser-ish reasons!

Ha yeah, perhaps natural selection will sort it all out if we are patient :)

Not only are ties a health hazard because they are germ traps and can cause eye problems, but in times that we need to conserve energy we need to think about the extra energy we are wasting in the hot summer months.
If male workers are required to wear jackets and ties, then thermostats of air conditioners are turned down, wasting more energy than necessary.

Australia is lagging behind because in several other countries including Japan, the Philippines and Chile, men are asked to leave their ties and jackets at home during summer months so energy can be saved.

Why has our environmental MP, Malcolm Turnbull, not made this suggestion?

http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workabroad/20060612-morse.html
for an article titled: Japanese Men Dress Down To Cut Summer's Energy Costs.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070118/K011813AU.html
for an article titled: Chilean office workers told to shun neckties to ease air conditioning costs.

Celivia , I just had a thought ....

Do women wear stockings for the same dodgy reasons that men wear ties ??

Kartya Jim

Women wear panty-hose for the same reason men wear socks, moron.

Stockings (which have been obsolete since the 60's - see 'pantyhose' above) are worn for purposes of entertainment - Col Rouge would appreciate this, given his tastes.;-)

Celivia,

Excellent points about unnecessary air-conditioning being run for the conformists wearing suits and ties.

On the subject of conformity (glad I brought it up).........

Why are neckties so popular? To brown-nose the boss is why.

Personally, I blame company CEOs. They are the Kings and Emperors of our modern business world. An unfortunate condition indeed, given the fact that most CEOs are idiots.

So since the CEOs wear neckties, all the managers wear neckties. And since all the managers wear neckties, all the supervisors wear neckties. And of course, since all the supervisors wear neckties, all the underlings wear neckties.

So when that underling gets promoted to supervisor, then manager, then becomes the new company CEO, he’s still wearing the blasted thing. Why?

Just because that’s the way it has always been done, and typically by the time an employee makes it as high as CEO, any inkling of free thinking has long since been replaced with conformity.

And Since All The CEOs and Managers wear neck ties -"thats good for the farmers who grow the crops and empolyment".
Other wise we wont need any CEOs or Managers will we?

Since we wont need and CEOs or Managers then we wont need any staff under them will we?
Thats just great for economy.

Got any more bright ideas, Rudd Needs some policy`s.

It could be called the `No Neck Tie Policy`

Probably by judging from what I have seen on this thread with people going on about stuff all- He would win hands down. Or should I say by a neck!

God Help Australia because nobody else can.
Employment People.
"Think of jobs."

Never mind I am sure its all too hard.

Of course somebody might be bright enough to introduce the neck tie spray.
Yes more chemical - Thats the way to go.

I think I would rather build up my System with a few neck tie bugs so I dont full over as soon as a germ blows my way.

I also suspect that JHH has an outragous sense of humour which personally I love.
I think hes pulling you all by the leg- Umm sorry
- Your Neck ties and Panty Hose.
Very Funny JHH.

KJ
JR has a good point. Panty-hose has a function, neck ties are worn for dodgy reasons :+)
Perhaps they can still function as a soup bib, according to this article.
Ha, you’d better watch out people- you’ll never know when the anti-tie brigade is coming our way!
“Fighting over the ties that bind.”
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/fashion/article1473675.ece

“…Today in London, and tomorrow in New York, the Mandarin Collar Society is announcing its formation. Its aim is nothing less than the worldwide elimination of the necktie and its replacement with the open collar.
The society — whose signed-up members include Linford Christie and the chef Pierre Gagnaire — has even issued a manifesto, which makes for rousing reading. Neckties, it declares, are “historical relics”. Not only do they “impose conformity, invite enslavement, and remind the wearer that his superiors have him by the neck”; they are also a health risk — those who wear their ties too tight are apparently more likely to develop glaucoma. Worst of all, says the group, neckties are pointless, and serve “no obvious function other than as a soup bib”.

Seriously now, what I would like to see is for men to have the choice to wear a tie to work or not. (apart from the food and health sectors, where ties should be banned for hygiene reasons.)

Unless....can anyone think of a logical/legitimate reason why men should be FORCED to wear ties in Australian hot summers?

Here’s a hilarious quote from Linda Ellerbee:
“If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a little noose around your neck?” -Linda Ellerbee

I park m’ butt in m’ office every day in shorts and singlet. Then about midday I have a shower and change into m’ work clothes…most days. Sometimes I just stay in m’ casual gear all day.

I work for the Qld Government in an office building with six others, in a complex with about a hundred staff.

Now that’s the way it should be: dressed appropriately for the climate, but ready to don official attire if you have to ‘entertain’ clients or go off on official business!

Stuff neck ties! In fact, stuff collars…and long pants and sleeves and shoes!

OK, wear it if the climate is cold, or if you want to impress some twit who is easily impressed by dress standard or offended by ‘poor’ dress! But otherwise, wear a singlet and shorts…if you have to wear anything at all!

Ah Johnny Rotten – I see you like to make fun of your betters.

Well fact is you have little choice, you would be hard pressed to find anyone less significant than yourself to make fun of.

Doubtless, as well as no tie, you wear slip on shoes again avoiding the challenge of a simple knot.

I am however, pleased I am the source of you’re enfeebled attempts at amusement, it gives me an opportunity to respond.

So, tell us, does your “girlfriend” charge you by the hour or did you invest in an inflatable one?

As for bacteria and fungii, you would likely find yourself immune from infection, benthic life forms are very resilient to bacterial and similar infection.

As for your inflatable girlfriends comments to the women who are attracted to me; they are mainly in the age range of to 30 years younger and 5 years old than myself, generally financially secure, know quality when they see it and have enough self esteem to ensure that the likes of yourself would never get a look in.

So I suggest you wander back to your pond and see out your days counting the amoeba as the duplicate

- oh – that would over-extend you – well, you could just count up to two and then start again.

My old man used to tell me, “put out enough bait and you can reel in anything”.

And sometimes it’s just too easy.

Col, maaaate, loosen the neck tie; bulging eyeballs not only looks bad but is very unhealthy.

;-D

Yesterday was ANZAC Day and I must confess that I wore my Corps tie.
Hung it up this morning for another year !

johnny rotton ,
I am not surprised your girlfriend is "a bit suspicious "!

I Was right.
'Fickle'

Clearly somethings lacking.

Have fun - but you are all chipping away at Western culture.

Surely there are more important things.

I know some of those important issues can seem a tad boreing to some and this thread is heaps more fun but really?

The old saying >

Good Manners are not something you take off like a coat and tie.

It goes to the bones of our background and culture.

Who was it that said they never used different names to post.

I must admitt we have been rolling around the floor laughing.
So thanks for that much anyway John.
Not so much by all the comments but I do beleive some of these people are serious.
God Help Australia if this is what people would prefer to waiste their time on.
Mind You its pretty clear to us this is not `all` about ties.

Perhaps you will get down to why should people wear underpants because we could save on air con.

Pitty about cause of these diseases. Just remember you were warned. Careful what you wish for.

This thread is - funny as JHH and I love a good laugh I will give you that.
Its sad too through our eyes.