Shadow M, your argument fails miserably.

Shadow M, EVERYBODY knows that Labor intended to price carbon. They said it repeatedly at the 2007 and 2010 election. At the 2010 election, they said there would be no fixed price on carbon (FYI, a "fixed price" is a carbon tax) .... and the PM specifically said "there would be no carbon tax".

Following the 2010 election, in order to gain government, Labor had to abandon the "no fixed price" part of their ETS promise. So they introduced a carbon tax .... which lasts till 2015 at which stage it conforms 100% to their original pre election promise.

They broke part of a promise (fixed price part), in order to gain government.

Thus, clearly, the PM did NOT lie. Labor broke a promise. They did it to gain government.

I'm glad I could educate you on this matter.

So far, my $50 is safe.

Keep trying all you far right wingers. Personal abuse against the PM is the only weapon you seem to have. Cool.

PS: Shadow M, just in case you still don't understand. Putting a price on carbon, and putting a "fixed" price on carbon, are two different things.

Labor's pre election commitment was to put a price on carbon.

Labor broke that promise and put a "fixed" price (till 2015) on carbon, in order to achieve government.

Glad I could further educate you, and clarify things for you.

To all you radical right wingers, if you want that $50 to go to your favourite charity you'll need to do a lot better.

It's clear that so far, none of you have been able to prove that the Prime Minister lied when she said, "there will be no carbon tax".

Belly>> But look at SOG his post is his best, not balanced, no intention of being so.<<

China, I have said to you many times over the past few years that come the time Abbott is PM I will grow disgusted and spew venom if Abbott lies, fails miserably directly due to policy implementation or generally becomes a dud that costs us money that could go to hospitals, proper education, where excellence rather than pack mediocrity is strived for, and the indigenous get effective resources and a well funded indigenous dedicated high teacher ratio education program.
Belly I lost my footy team, the Newtown Jets, when the ARL back stabbed us, and I lost my party when the DLP bit the dust, I am an orphan.

Pete the perpetual, they are duds sport, I know it, you know it; even Richardson and Tanner know it. These boys are two true believers who see nothing to believe in regarding this lot and Gillard in particular.

DP,

A price on carbon whether fixed or not paid to the ATO is a tax on carbon, or as commonly known as a Carbon tax. I would suggest you look up the definition of a tax.

A non voluntary payment to the commonwealth is by definition a tax.

A pure ETS where carbon credits are traded between entities other than the state would not be a tax, anything else has a tax on carbon.

You made a stupid bet where you didn't know what you were talking about. So stump up!

DP
I believe the PM meant it when she said there would be no carbon tax but with a hung parliament it became a bargaining chip. Tony Abbott was also willing to consider a carbon tax to take government and Tony Windsor has said as much in relaying conversations with TA after the fact.

It is quite laughable in this context that TA keeps the faux shocked outrage stance with continued false 'evidence' of price rises due to CT including bills of pensioners rising threefold but forgetting to add that usage also increased same. It was a broken promise and personally I think the PM could have put it to the Greens that she could not break a pre-election promise from an ethical standpoint but 'trade-off' other environmental protections.

I could be wrong, but could not see the Greens backing Abbott even with an agreement on CT given Labor more likely than Libs to consider environment than Libs. LNP view environmental concerns as 'radical' and the intellectual process does not go much further than conceding to a large Conservative huntin' shootin' fishin' electorate base.

Your $50 is safe in the context of a 'lie' but definitely a broken promise.

Who is the lesser quality person, the one who twists the truth or the one who supports twisting the truth ?