It was no complement Tapp gee I hope you understand that.
However it did not have much Merritt, like it or not most who vote in this country continue to vote mainstream.
Tapp just what is it you want from IR?
Surely you understand ,or do you? Labor has not taken IR far from the people?
No lurch away from them such as workchoices, its a fundamental question question is this country concerned about the standard of living for all or just some.
I can not see your point except to say you appear more one sided in every post.
How tell me has Labor sold out the workers?
Are your policy's more radical?
John Howard and his team are saying Labor has gone too far, a clear lie.
Are you saying they went too far in the other direction?
demos self assurance is ok but often quite misplaced.
An understanding of an issue may come from the person who sweeps the floor as much as the one who owns the factory.
I except your insult but have not seen anything in your posts that confers saint hood on you.

Belly

You really do have a serious problem

You stated you are a union and labor man and proud of that, no problems with that.

I have said labor and the unions have sold the workers out.

Now Belly if you really are dedicated for the workers you would know why the workers have been sold out.

I see it, you dont

Is this due to obedience, or dont care.

As Kevin Rudd stated "Politics is about Power"

Is this your only interest.

open your eyes have a look.

Labor maybe be giving some back but not all.
What is the most important right for the workers Belly.

When you figure that out tell me, I already know.

Howards IR laws are bad but not for all, Labors new IR Laws are bad

Kevin Rudd has you on the end off the line dangleing.

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Given the massive miss use of a mandate that never included workchoices the duty of the ALP is clear.
It first is to be elected, not rush into giving seats away to Howard such as those lost in Tasmania in 2004.
And much like GST Labor would not find support if it wanted to take us back to pre workchoices IR law.
Those of us that have an understanding of the issue know change had to come not however workchoices.
A national system has to make a great contribution after all how many country's have so many different ones?
Tapp you draw your information from other than my members, they think this is at least a return to fairness.
It is not everything I would want it never could be, no one can govern for minority's.
Again my request for my party is to commit to winning, and governing well.
To remain in office long enough to undo the Howard mess.
Tapp you skip around questions without answering, mate if your party is the future of Australian politics why do you plead for members and candidates here?
What is the betrayal? just exactly what would you include in your play party's policy?
Dictatorship? in all states and Territory's? and soon the federal government.
Can you find a way out of being so out of touch with political reality?

Belly I will reply with a little story from another thread.

You say I am out of touch No I am not.

You just try to deny the dictatorship in one thread but will let this story put this in perspective.

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Barry is a good bloke, always was always will be.
And its nothing new the party and I think the conservatives act just this way.
As a rank and filer I must share a story, at a lunch for a NSW great Wran, Beazley and Carr came to our table and said Gday.
Yet those younger on the way up stood only with those who could help get feet on the ladder and did not say Gday or good by to us.
In the days I lived in Barry electorate and even then was a party activist these people had not been born yet they still find a place to use power wrongly in such as this thread brings to our notice.

I without shame did write that and stand by it.
However Tapp can you remember all those times you said I only take the party line?
I am a realist always and forever a realist.
It is true that unions of the 40,50s, and60 S fought to keep the older blokes like me in a job, last on first of.
It is no way to build a business!
In politics and unionism it is unfair to those who are the owners of the union/party the members.
The best should be promoted the past it or never will bes have no safe forever seat.
Only in your mind can my view be seen as betrayal.
As a share holder in the ALP and the union movement I demand only the best for the best the membership.
Tapp again find issues to build your sandcastle, it need not be just a dream if you act in good faith to build policy's not just insult other party's you could indeed be a force in the upper house.
At a time the ALP is about to become the federal government you manufacture betrayals and target them?
Start with bringing that northern water south, forget costs see the long term good.
Understand why politicians spend more time kissing baby's than kicking them, it works for them.

Belly I had to put your post here otherwise you wouldnt have.
deception.

Sandcastles no dont think so

policy

truth

the ACTU and Labor has sold out the workers

Ask Doug Cameron from amwsu

At least he will say it and stand for the workers.

Labor dictatorship and others follow.

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