Tapp clearly I am wasting my time, you do not listen to others views and debate is one sided with you.
Here are some points you may care to think about.
For debates sake I will forget why the past member never ran as an ALP candidate this time.
He however ran as an independent.
His branch ran his booths on election day.
A strong independent who was once going to run for the ALP ran too
The Greens ran a strong campaign directing preferences to independent number one.
The ALP candidate won, independent number 2 ran second.
Your friend and past ALP candidate ran third.
Greens polled the best I can remember in this seat.
so is it not true in the seat of Newcastle voters endorsed the ALP? and its actions?
It was an unhappy campaign reasons I truly think even you if you knew them would support for a new candidate exist.
And yes head office did not use the existing system to pick a runner.
I know why and agree.
Your disjointed dislike of Labor taken on board I still believe if you had all the facts, and Tapp you so very rarely do!
You would support the party line.
throw your mud ,harvest the half truths from our Medea but know a long term party rule says run against the party and you are gone.
do you have party rules?
would you welcome those who ran against you back into the fold after you won against them?
are facts Worth while in Tapp?

Whoever said that politics in Australia was about democracy? I must have missed something somewhere.
Just imagine the fun Dictator Rudd will have when the ALP has control of the entire country.

Well said Communicat

Belly That was the article also you would have noticed the statement that the party said.

So I am looking at the picture but Belly you are looking only at union and Labor level.

One would say why am i wasting my time.

Their are articles that you like and those you dislike but when it comes down to it you are to follow the party line.

Just like with the liberal party if they said no to workchoices and AWA legislation they would have been doing what is democratically right but not by their party.

YOU WILL TOE THE PARTY LINE OR BE EXPELLED.

This clearly is not democratic or a democracy.

THIS IS CLEARLY A DICTATORSHIP

You can either have dictatorship or you can have democracy.

The Australian Peoples Party is offering democracy but that is your choice not mine.

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I weary of debate with you Tapp, while your party appears to be nothing more than a mind game you play to amuse your self.
I think if it was a party that had real plans to one day have an impact you would understand you need to convince people from all party's to come to you.
Not blindly insult them, now again I doubt I could post the whole story here.
Or that I should Australia has few forums to express our free speech, some great ones no longer exist because rumor has it threats of legal action.
With every bone in my body I truly think if you knew what I know you would ,given your blind dislike of my party and all, think as I do on this issue.
However tell me this is untrue
the ex candidate ran against his lifelong party, he lost.
ALP voters said we want the party's choice in numbers that elected that person.
Why do you constantly say democracy at work is dictator ship?
What system of government is you play time party supporting?

Now Tapp I address your contempt for my views and the insult you throw that I follow the party line, surely if referring to one of your members that insult would be praise?
However it is untrue and fact is I firmly am a rebel in both party and union movement.
Union first,old time conservative unions fought communism as much as any enemy of the workers.
They won wages raises in talking issues out and strike action was the last tool used.
Being mates with members was the way of life and good bosses had nothing to fear from us, I am an old fashioned unionist.
My party, for years I have fought the extremes both right and left and look to todays federal leadership to take us away from a workers vs the rest culture.
One day if humans truly want a better world I would like to see a more caring hand up not a hand out world , nothing for nothing sit down money is wasted money.
I think a job is better than welfare , not pension , unemployment is what I am speaking about.
Party line? aim your insults above the belt, understand your views are no more likely to be right than mine.
Your thread mate, think about it, every state in Australia and soon the country in ALP hands .
And you call voters idiots by saying the voted for a dictator ship?
Are you and Tapp fairdinkum Stu?

What do you expect when the grassroots has no say at the National Conference. As for the Left they will do their little Song & Dance Act and than say 'OK thats find.' You know Labor is not control by Unions but by Jack Boot Johhny.